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[quote="Dollstudio"][quote="Diaval"]I am also indifferent on the standing option. I see holes in the bottom of the feet for that option. What do yo do with those?[/quote]

The standing skeleton option by Z-Onedoll means that there are three screws in the soles of the feet. It allows the doll to stand on her own feet respectively these screws. The standing skeleton is intended for short-term standing - hours or maybe a few days. However, my ZO-160/B is standing for about a year. Though, this is [i]not[/i] recommended.[/quote]

I kind of prefer the hanging method myself for storage, generally by removing the head and using the neck joint itself as that does seem the strongest part to suspend the doll. I got the whole idea of the standing option wrong. When I saw the three screw holes on the bottom of the feet, I thought you had to bolt the doll down to something like a wooden plate so it could free stand. Goes to show you how naive that thinking is being such a noob! Given how the closet is designed (my location for storage)...hanging does seem best. Sitting isn't possible and unless the doll is very short, laying down isn't possible either.

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The standing skeleton comes with a couple of disadvantages; it costs a bit more, the soles of the feet are not really pretty anymore, and showering in the bathtub gets more complicated as water can enter the inside of the doll through these holes.[/quote]

Oooooo, yeah, that is a good point. In my basement I have a nice bathroom with separated tub and shower stall. Because of the shower stall, the whole tub area is open I had already thought of some nice evenings in that tub with my little lady. Thank you for bringing that point out. I guess for standing I am just going to have to 3 point pose the doll... meaning her hand has to be holding on to something for stability. More than likely the closet door frame or the credenza that is in the room.

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Doll Sweet does no offer a standing skeleton option. Making these dolls requires more effort, but the soles of the feet remain flawless ;-)

Sandro[/quote]

Well, once again thank you for the information. I have narrowed it down already quite a bit to either Doll Sweet, Z-Onedoll, and 6YE. Out of the three...in terms of the body, the ZO-160 b-cup became my favorite as the body dimensions seem the most real to me. Simply the best body for my tastes and also they have a face I fell for. The weight is my biggest obstacle here. Z-onedoll has a body and face I like and it is lightweight. The body isn't as nice as the ZO doll, but it is still attractive. But unfortunately the price isn't attractive. Finally there is the TPE doll from 6YE, nice skeleton, light weight, VERY beautiful and is very shapely. However, more care is involved and the doll is very short at 4'11". It is going to be a tough one. I can probably say right now that Doll Sweet is going to be edged out. At nearly $1000 more than I want to spend, if something happened because of a lack of experience, I will be kicking myself in the rear. More than likely my choice is going to be with 6YE or ZO.

Thank you again, you have been much helpful.

Diaval

[quote="Diaval"]I am also indifferent on the standing option. I see holes in the bottom of the feet for that option. What do yo do with those?[/quote]

The standing skeleton option by Z-Onedoll means that there are three screws in the soles of the feet. It allows the doll to stand on her own feet respectively these screws. The standing skeleton is intended for short-term standing - hours or maybe a few days. However, my ZO-160/B is standing for about a year. Though, this is [i]not[/i] recommended.

The standing skeleton comes with a couple of disadvantages; it costs a bit more, the soles of the feet are not really pretty anmore, and showering in the bathtub gets more complicated as water can enter the inside of the doll through these holes.

Doll Sweet does no offer a standing skeleton option. Making these dolls requires more effort, but the soles of the feet remain flawless ;-)

Sandro

[quote="Dollstudio"]Hi,

[quote="Diaval"]Oh! Another question. Could Z-Onedoll be hung from the head / neck? I know most dolls can, but they offer a BACK hanging option and I am definitely not going to do that. I intend to put the doll in MANY backless outfits for pictures and I cannot have anything marring the back of one of these beauties. I say that is a VERY bad place to put a hanging option.[/quote]

Maidlee has an eye bolt in the back, ZO can [i]optionally[/i] be equipped with a back bolt, and DH [i]never[/i] has a back bolt. Take your pick ;-)

ZO has another hanging option called neck hook; it is screwed into the neck [i]instead of the head[/i] and allows short-term hanging.

[i]Z-Onedoll neck hook:[/i] http://dollforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=966305#p966305

DS has a so called hang kit which allows as well short term hanging ([i]with head attached[/i]) and long-term storage ([i]without head[/i]).

[i]DS hang kit:[/i] http://dollforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1156630#p1156630

Sandro[/quote]

Yeah this was the first time I seen a bolt in the back, but I am familiar with removing the head and having a bolt go in the top of the neck (from the DS site). I saw that on the DS site a few days ago with the wire that goes right through the head so you can hang it without taking the head off. But yeah, I don't care for it on the back. I am also indifferent on the standing option. I see holes in the bottom of the feet for that option. What do yo do with those?

Thanx,

Diaval

Hi,

[quote="Diaval"]Oh! Another question. Could Z-Onedoll be hung from the head / neck? I know most dolls can, but they offer a BACK hanging option and I am definitely not going to do that. I intend to put the doll in MANY backless outfits for pictures and I cannot have anything marring the back of one of these beauties. I say that is a VERY bad place to put a hanging option.[/quote]

Maidlee has an eye bolt in the back, ZO can [i]optionally[/i] be equipped with a back bolt, and DH [i]never[/i] has a back bolt. Take your pick ;-)

ZO has another hanging option called neck hook; it is screwed into the neck [i]instead of the head[/i] and allows short-term hanging.

[i]Z-Onedoll neck hook:[/i] http://dollforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=966305#p966305

DS has a so called hang kit which allows as well short term hanging ([i]with head attached[/i]) and long-term storage ([i]without head[/i]).

[i]DS hang kit:[/i] http://dollforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1156630#p1156630

Sandro

[quote="Dollstudio"]Hi Diaval,

the ZO-160/B is 38.8-40 kg (three different measurements). But again, don't let yourself be scared away from this weight. It's not as bad as it sounds. I agree with jackbeenimble, most people can learn to handle this kind of weight.[/quote]

Well, I just picked up my wife to see if I could handle her weight, and surprisingly I was able to lift her up (standard arm under knees, arm around back hold). She weighs 136lbs (61kg). Granted this is a live person now and I lifted her from a standing position. With a dead weight I would assume halving that would probably give me a good idea of capacity...which would be around 30kg as I predicted. I am not sure if this good to go by. But I surprised myself that I was still able to pick my wife up. And I could handle her without arms shaking or anything. I held her for about the time it would take to walk from the futon to the closet. I think I should have picked up my wife from the futon to see how I could do that. I don't know...I thought I would struggle getting my wife up into my arms, but no.

[quote]After you checked the even more voluminous shoulder span of Maid-Fong and liked it, I think the decision is clear - go rather for a Z-Onedoll than a Doll Sweet as it better fits your budget, [i]and[/i] you prefer the body shape [i]and[/i] the ZO heads.

Sandro[/quote]

Yes, I DO very much like the shoulder span of the Maid-Fong doll, but sadly Maidlee doesn't offer much outside of that doll body. It is a DD cup and that is already too large for my tastes. I don't like their heads at all and I only think they have two to being with. The weight is up there as well at 82lbs. I did shoot an email to the company as I am curious about the shoulder span of that doll. From the look of it, it has to be over 18" I seriously doubt I would go over that because then the doll would definitely weigh too much. But 14" to 17" I am good with.

[i][b]EDIT:[/b][/i]

Maidlee just emailed me back and gave me some additional information on the the Maid-Fong doll:

> 1. Shoulder to shoulder 17"
> 2) upper arm circumferance: 10.5
> 3) upper leg circumferance: 20
> 4) wrist circumferance: 24
> 5) neck circumferance: 13

I had the doll to pegged to 18" or even 19", but it is 17".

Yes, the body type and shape of ZO is nicer and so is the body in comparison to the DS dolls I been looking at. Even though the 163cm 'supermodel' type body has thin arms and legs, they DO have some shape to them (the legs) and they are more attractive than the thin arms and legs I have seen on TPE dolls. Youyi is particularly cute:

https://www.dsdoll.us/galleria/supermodel/p_163_youyi

While still on the thin side, she has a nice neckline, shoulder area. Picturing Thera's head on her with that wig would certainly increase the attraction factor on her. But I am not as attracted to this body style as I am to this one:

https://d13z1xw8270sfc.cloudfront.net/origin/369289/1504575980126_sex-doll-simona-a007.jpg

The difference is like night and day in terms of the build. So going back to Z-Onedoll, they do offer QUITE a bit for their price and it is a silicone doll. While what they offer isn't as 'strong' looking as the 'Simone' doll I posted above. The 160cm B cup has the breast size I desire. Really I think the two main things from stopping from going with Z-onedoll is the weight and not being 100% sure how well the skeleton is made. It does seem like they are improving the latter though and I believe I even have seen a shoulder shrug option on their page somewhere. Yup! Here it is:

http://www.z-onedoll.com/order_list/FrontColumns_navigation01-1445786022729FirstColumnId=9&&FrontColumns_navigation01-1445786022729FirstColumnId=6.html

Second option from the bottom. I also like the tattoo option too.

But yeah, without a doubt I like the Z-Onedoll faces better. Mirabelle blow most faces away that I have seen so far. She seems more like an Asian / American mix. With short hair and wide shoulders, she looks amazing.

Oh! Another question. Could Z-Onedoll be hung from the head / neck? I know most dolls can, but they offer a BACK hanging option and I am definitely not going to do that. I intend to put the doll in MANY backless outfits for pictures and I cannot have anything marring the back of one of these beauties. I say that is a VERY bad place to put a hanging option.

Again thank you for the information. You are a great asset to the forum with providing very useful information.

Diaval

Hi Diaval,

the ZO-160/B is 38.8-40 kg (three different measurements). But again, don't let yourself be scared away from this weight. It's not as bad as it sounds. I agree with jackbeenimble, most people can learn to handle this kind of weight.

After you checked the even more voluminous shoulder span of Maid-Fong and liked it, I think the decision is clear - go rather for a Z-Onedoll than a Doll Sweet as it better fits your budget, [i]and[/i] you prefer the body shape [i]and[/i] the ZO heads.

Sandro

Sandro, have you measured the weight on the ZO-160 b cup? That is the body I am after.

I forgot to mention that I looked into the Maidlee doll above and that company only makes one body type. While I love the shoulder span and collarbones,the breasts are a bit large, also the legs are on the thick side. While that is ok with me, I wonder what that doll weighs, but thier head selection is not good at all.

I am suffering from the sticker shock from the DS dolls. They are very expensive. Most places sell the 163cm model for about $3500. Ouch! I guess the lighter weight is what they get you with. The smaller dolls are more reasonable, but I don't want that. I need a regular size doll because I also want the doll to do fashion photography with and be able to buy her regular clothes.

So unless I find a deal on the DS dolls I am back to ZO if the weight is too high, then I am going back to TPE.

[quote="jackbeenimble"]Just think of that extra weight as a "feature"! :D

I have a 170cm from Z One and I'm not a body builder. It's manageable if you're careful and you plan the moves out.

I tried weighing her one time and I could only get approximations because I have a simple scale and the doll was laying horizontal, making it difficult to read the scale, but I estimated 95 lbs with the head (43kg).

Love the research that Dollstudio produces![/quote]

A feature huh? Sorry, I will pass on that one.

Double post, please delete.

Just think of that extra weight as a "feature"! :D

I have a 170cm from Z One and I'm not a body builder. It's manageable if you're careful and you plan the moves out.

I tried weighing her one time and I could only get approximations because I have a simple scale and the doll was laying horizontal, making it difficult to read the scale, but I estimated 95 lbs with the head (43kg).

Love the research that Dollstudio produces!

[quote="Dollstudio"]Hi,

new verified measurement for ZO-162 ("non-intelligent" version): 42.1 kg, without head.

[attachment=0]DSC04211.JPG[/attachment]

Sandro[/quote]

Damn! They are way off on the weights. The body I picked out from them is the next one down the 160cm B cup. They state the weight of that is 33kg. So if they are off by more than 2kg without the head and the head is about 2 kg, then that Mirabelle doll I am looking at will weigh in at 37kg, maybe even slightly more. 81.lbs.

Damn...that sucks big time. I got through checking out the prices on Doll Sweet and they are easily $1000 more than Z-Onedoll. I really didn't want to go that high in price. But I guess because they are light and have that nice skeleton, it becomes a 'you get what you pay for' thing.

I might end up falling back to TPE after all then, unless I find a really good deal on the Doll Sweet one I am after.

Thanks for info

Diaval

Hi Diaval,

yes, the real weight of the ZO dolls [i]could[/i] be considered a dealbreaker. However, the weight of the ZO-160/B is not yet in the seriously critical region; the standing skeleton still works well, and one [i]can[/i] manage to deal with the weight. So do not give up on a ZO-160/B 'just' because of the weight.

As far as Doll Sweet is concerned, they had their share of weight issues, too. The DS-167, originally advertised as 170 cm doll, was supposed to weight 29 kg - which would have been awesome. But…

http://dollforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=864096#p864096

However, Doll Sweet has successfully managed to reduce the weight in the past months - they [i]did[/i] their homework. The DS-167 is still not 29 kg, but she is now less than 38 kg.

http://dollforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1076642#p1076642

Except for their male doll, all other Doll Sweet's are more lightweight. This is - among other things - accomplished by more narrow shoulders. That gives some of these (relatively tall) dolls a petite appearance. If you like that, Doll Sweet will be perfect; but if I understand you correctly, this is not exactly what you are looking for.

For comparison, let's take a look at a completely different doll…

[attachment=0]DSC05137.JPG[/attachment]

This is a hybrid with a ZO head and a Maid-Fong body by [i]Maidlee Doll[/i]. Maid-Fong has a pectoral girdle like a swimmer. Her massive chest makes life-sized heads (that look fine on a ZO-160 body) appear too small.

In a nutshell - if you like narrow shoulders, DS is the way to go; if you like broad shoulders, take a look at dolls like Maid-Fong. If you find truth in the middle, go for Z-Onedoll.

Sandro

Sandro,

Thank you for your time and efforts into researching this for us. This is a major dealbreaker for me with Z-onedoll. I was very much into the 160cm (b-cup) body with the A5 Mirabelle head. The face / hair style and the nice widely space shoulders is what had me gravitating towards ZO. But I was already concerned with the advertised weight of 32kg. Now, with this discovery that the body is actually closer to 40kg....that isn't going well with me and I might have to reconsider Doll Sweet.

Hi,

new verified measurement for ZO-162 ("non-intelligent" version): 42.1 kg, without head.

[attachment=0]DSC04211.JPG[/attachment]

Sandro

[quote="haremlover"]Um. Somehow I think my 160 got a first class upgrade on her way over and stuffed on the caviar and champagne in first class as she's still heavier than the advertised weight.

Best wishes

Harem[/quote]
Can't blame her, I bet you would do it too.
I think my first ownerguy complained of the same thing :?

[quote="haremlover"]Um. Somehow I think my 160 got a first class upgrade on her way over and stuffed on the caviar and champagne in first class as she's still heavier than the advertised weight.

Best wishes

Harem[/quote]

Ahww, be happy you didn't have to cater for her appetite and got unexpected training for your upcoming DS167 that way. :wink: :razz:

All the best.

p.S. - Curious at what actual weight the 162 will clock in, I guess my estimate of 42kg will still be a bit conservative, but we'll see.