145 cm body: Too firm?

Thndrrbolt · Post by **Thndrrbolt** » Wed Jul 02, 2014 2:11 pm

I'm very attracted to the 145 Plus body and the new (Lilith?) head, and am considering this as my next doll.
However, a comment made by owners of this size DS doll is that the body feels like " about an inch of silicone over a VERY firm foam core, made of material similar to what flip-flop sandals are made from".
If that's the case, then I would expect her bum and thighs to be too firm for comfort when playing, and not that much fun to cuddle.
Does anyone have a contrary opinion?
Pity, really when they have such a well made skeleton and such visually attractive dolls!
What say you?
T'Bolt

AhMyDolless · Post by **AhMyDolless** » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:52 pm

I don't own one of these myself but I read one commenter saying after owning the doll for a short time that it just wasn't his style. I don't know specifically what that means but I guess that would be at least part of the reason.

I'm also getting the impression that the asian manufacturers have firmer dolls (excluding 4woods). I've read one commenter talk about an Orient Industry doll and he said she was literally a hard ass, making a pun of the ordeal.

If they ever figure out soft skin and jiggly features they will win the doll world. They are still very beautiful and affordable-ish.

jazzman · Post by **jazzman** » Wed Jul 02, 2014 11:21 pm

ASk the manufacturer to post a cross section of a leg, an arm and the torso.

haremlover · Post by **haremlover** » Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:48 am

Hi!

My experience is that only of 168plus and 158. DS score on the boobs - after all with the boobs of a 145plus

who needs a bum?

Seriously though, 4woods videos of softness are impressive and from the DS Forum it's apparent that DS are looking sideways at their rather expensive sisters . . . but the balance is between a bum that is only part of the asset of a sex doll and a poseable doll who can sit down and lie on her back without areas that should be curved becoming flat.

The reality is that solid dolls require talking to nicely - we have to pamper them - hot bath, electric blanket, talc - give them time . . . it's like taking on another person in a way and to enjoy them for a quick f**k is not quite their style unless they happen to be on their back screaming "come on" "now" "I can't wait" "I want you now" "you know can't resist" - and I would imagine that 145plus Liliths do that all the time . . .

In carrying a doll around weight is important and whatever inner foam there is reduces weight . . . and again in preventing the doll behave like amorphous jelly moving her becomes easier so a muscly butt has advantages.

At the end of the day a doll is only a doll and not a living moving jiggling human being, only a representation. No representation is a reality. But the DS ladies provide a psychological enjoyment in addition to physical assets and, for one, they make me smile.

They have a reality about them with character and a sense of life that surpasses mere sex. One finds that they demand relationship rather than being merely an object to be banged, and their reward when talced is a sensuality to the touch and to the eye supreme. Coming from an experience of airgurlz, and from the instant sexuality and manner of gratification that they bring, I'm not unique in finding that airgurlz don't always inspire orgasm . . . whereas when my DS ladies are in the mood . . . although less often than the instant availability of the alternative the sexual sensuality is much deeper, more profound.

Perhaps one simply has to be ready for a fuller experience.

At the moment there is a 160 doll requiring rescue from Washington DC. She's rather new and I wondered why she was requiring an instant knight in shining armour to take her on. Her man is moving and can't take her with him

but says that she surpassed expectations in every way.

In France I have a couple of old airgurlz in the cupboard which are destined to be given away - but on the balance of the instant sex that they can provide with the not constant availability of Chloé for such enjoyment (dressing her and undressing her is an obstruction) it's still Chloé who grabs my attention to the exclusion of the others. When you have a character such as Chloé - or her sister Ruby or her new alluring cousin Lilith, the composition of the bum becomes . . . irrelevant.

Other dolls might be f**kbags, but it's the DS one comes to having been through all the rest.

Best wishes

Harem

Thndrrbolt · Post by **Thndrrbolt** » Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:59 am

Harem,
My first (and so far, only) doll, Anna, a 1 AM "Jasmine", after some small cosmetic mods, simply came to life for me.
If you look back at how I gushed over the experience I had being with her until a potentially fatal health scare caused me to send her to a new home (to spare the possible widow having to deal with her), you will see how smitten I was.
So I fully understand the concept of a "next level" relationship with a realistic doll.
I'm picking at nits (large ones, actually!) in trying to see if this DS 145 Plus model will give me the same quality of cuddling that Anna did, only on a even MORE busty (Woo HOO!) scale.
A good friend recently got a DS 145, and has been one source of my info.
If I got bruises on my thighs from contacting hers during play (extreme, I know.), or passionately grabbed her tush and felt something akin to a thinly wrapped watermelon, it would detract from the desired experience.
BTW, I think your girls are just lovely.
T'b

dragonfly8878 · Post by **dragonfly8878** » Fri Jul 04, 2014 10:50 pm

Hey T'Bolt,

I haven't owned a 1am Jasmine, but I do have a couple of dolls from Doll Sweet, including a regular 145cm. I wouldn't say the foam core is very firm. It's all relative though. I used to have a RealDoll that to me felt very hard, because it was solid silicone of an older generation. It needed to be warmed up to become a bit softer. (I imagine they've improved since then.) The Orient Industry dolls might feel similar, because they're solid silicone. I switched to the foam core dolls from Silicone Art and Doll Sweet, because the silicone felt a little softer, and the foam core reduced the weight dramatically and made the doll feel more compressible. In other words, you can squeeze the thigh and it has more give than a solid silicone doll. The behinds are more firm than I would like. It's probably to prevent deformation during storage.

I have a 4woods doll, as well, with the special "marshmallow" skin. It has a different feel than the foam core silicone dolls. The outer surface does feel somewhat like the surface of a marshmallow, and underneath the silicon is very soft like a marshmallow. Deeper than that it feels more firm. I'm not sure I would say any silicone doll is very cuddly. They all have a certain amount of firmness.

The breasts on foam core silicone dolls are made with a balloon-like air chamber inside, underneath about 1/4 to 1/2 inch of silicone, so they are soft and squeezable. You have to be careful not to fall asleep on them though, because they can rupture. The 4woods breasts are solid silicone, but feel pretty nice to fondle.

A doll like a Teddy Babe is probably best for cuddling with while sleeping, because of the light weight and little risk of damage. They're maybe not the best for realistic lovemaking though. If you want a doll that feels the softest and most realistic, you might want to consider the TPE dolls from WMdolls, available through 1amUSA (125cm Teri, 135cm Tiffany, 163cm Misty). Their weight is similar to the solid silicone dolls, but the softness is absolutely remarkable and lifelike. It looks like they might be making a 145cm doll. WMdolls is asking for input on doll size, shape and faces in the WMdoll section of the forum. A number of forum members (myself included) were suggesting a TPE doll with similar proportions to the 145cm or 145cm Plus dolls from Doll Sweet. You might even get a free head if they choose your recommendation for face appearance.

I hope I haven't given you too much information at once. Feel free to ask if you have more questions.

Thndrrbolt · Post by **Thndrrbolt** » Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:22 pm

Like you, I am approaching the conclusion that TPE dolls offer the best feeling, based on the testimony of those who own them.
Were there materials available to repair and permanently colorize TPE as there are for silicone, the decision would be easy.
WM has announced that the 145 doll will be available as of 15 July, so let's see what the finished product turns out like.
T'Bolt

luv2ridemx · Post by **luv2ridemx** » Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:24 pm

WOW, WOW WOW, thanks guys, there has been some very good points made here !!

samara78 · Post by **samara78** » Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:32 pm

haremlover wrote:Hi!

My experience is that only of 168plus and 158. DS score on the boobs - after all with the boobs of a 145plus who needs a bum?

Seriously though, 4woods videos of softness are impressive and from the DS Forum it's apparent that DS are looking sideways at their rather expensive sisters . . . but the balance is between a bum that is only part of the asset of a sex doll and a poseable doll who can sit down and lie on her back without areas that should be curved becoming flat.

The reality is that solid dolls require talking to nicely - we have to pamper them - hot bath, electric blanket, talc - give them time . . . it's like taking on another person in a way and to enjoy them for a quick f**k is not quite their style unless they happen to be on their back screaming "come on" "now" "I can't wait" "I want you now" "you know can't resist" - and I would imagine that 145plus Liliths do that all the time . . .

In carrying a doll around weight is important and whatever inner foam there is reduces weight . . . and again in preventing the doll behave like amorphous jelly moving her becomes easier so a muscly butt has advantages.

At the end of the day a doll is only a doll and not a living moving jiggling human being, only a representation. No representation is a reality. But the DS ladies provide a psychological enjoyment in addition to physical assets and, for one, they make me smile.

They have a reality about them with character and a sense of life that surpasses mere sex. One finds that they demand relationship rather than being merely an object to be banged, and their reward when talced is a sensuality to the touch and to the eye supreme. Coming from an experience of airgurlz, and from the instant sexuality and manner of gratification that they bring, I'm not unique in finding that airgurlz don't always inspire orgasm . . . whereas when my DS ladies are in the mood . . . although less often than the instant availability of the alternative the sexual sensuality is much deeper, more profound.

Perhaps one simply has to be ready for a fuller experience.

At the moment there is a 160 doll requiring rescue from Washington DC. She's rather new and I wondered why she was requiring an instant knight in shining armour to take her on. Her man is moving and can't take her with him but says that she surpassed expectations in every way.

In France I have a couple of old airgurlz in the cupboard which are destined to be given away - but on the balance of the instant sex that they can provide with the not constant availability of Chloé for such enjoyment (dressing her and undressing her is an obstruction) it's still Chloé who grabs my attention to the exclusion of the others. When you have a character such as Chloé - or her sister Ruby or her new alluring cousin Lilith, the composition of the bum becomes . . . irrelevant.

Other dolls might be f**kbags, but it's the DS one comes to having been through all the rest.

Best wishes

Harem

Wow!!! Plus onevon this post so eloquent , and very true.

dragonfly8878 · Post by **dragonfly8878** » Tue Jul 08, 2014 6:11 pm

Thndrrbolt wrote:Like you, I am approaching the conclusion that TPE dolls offer the best feeling, based on the testimony of those who own them.
Were there materials available to repair and permanently colorize TPE as there are for silicone, the decision would be easy.
WM has announced that the 145 doll will be available as of 15 July, so let's see what the finished product turns out like.
T'Bolt

Yes, fingers crossed. The early model they were showing in another thread looks pretty voluptuous. Not in the same way as the Doll Sweet 145 Plus, though. The DS doll looks more slender with a very large bust. I'm hoping to convince WM Dolls to make a slender 155cm TPE doll with somewhat natural looking breasts. (I have other dolls with really big breasts.)

dragonfly8878 · Post by **dragonfly8878** » Tue Jul 08, 2014 6:14 pm

haremlover, I fully agree with samara78. Your post was eloquent and spoken from the heart.

haremlover · Post by **haremlover** » Tue Jul 08, 2014 7:19 pm

dragonfly8878 wrote:haremlover, I fully agree with samara78. Your post was eloquent and spoken from the heart.

Both of you - how very kind to say so. Encouragement of this nature is so appreciated.

Truly though, it's my girls who speak . . .

Put another way, there is something in the genius of their sculpture. Perhaps like any red blooded male here I came to solid dolls with lust of the hottest sort . . . and when first seeing Aira's photos http://dollforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=122&t=51432 I really thought I was settling for second best in the lust department although interest was vaguely stirred by

but began to get an inkling of something more upon seeing Chloé working as a fitness instructor at Porn School

and both ladies having been documented from birth - http://www.dollalbum.com/dollgallery/th ... album=5352 - these photos of Stef's possibly being some of the sexiest of sets I've seen . . .

Then when Aira walked into my life

she blew me away

and this girl expressed a character

quite of her own.

She was capable of expressing something far removed from that of an inanimate sculpture, a lump of silicone, a lump of silicone made for f***ing and this experience has continued right through to acquiring another sister and her associated personae http://dollforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=143&t=54940

So it's not from my heart that the words are spoken but that of the dolls, and their creator. I believe them to be created with love and it is from that from which they speak. They are created to speak to us whilst other dolls are created to be f**ked.

I don't think I'm unique in having these feelings about DS dolls.

How could I ever imagine that http://dollforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=143&t=54140 these two photos were . . . of the same lass

???

This evening I went to a meeting of a very staid group of friends (church organists) who had happened to see my advert for a harpsichord on ebay http://dollforum.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 20#p639020 - part 1 - http://dollforum.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 5&p=639075 - part 2 and their greeting was how they'd enjoyed the harpsichord advert and the question "where did you get those dolls?" . . . .

So it's for this reason that http://dollforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=143&t=53605 DS girls do it for me, no matter how hard or not their arse.

Best wishes

Harem