Requesting Opinions On Possible Future DS Doll

[Rocket88]

Hello all,

I am the very satisfied owner of a new DS 160 Plus doll which I received about 1 month ago.
Dealing with Doll Sweet was a very smooth and professional experience.
The quality of the doll I got from them is top notch.
So top notch, that it got me to thinking.
Should I get another one.......

Possibly, but it may depend on DS producing a new model.
This may be contrary to the general thought on this forum, but I would like to see DS produce a larger, more mature looking doll.

When I say larger, I don't mean Amazonian large, just a bit larger. Wider shoulder breadth, larger diameter arms and legs, bigger waist and hips, slightly taller (I know the 168 is taller than my 160, but perhaps at a 168 height or a tad taller than the 168).
A head or two that are somewhere in between the ages of the younger looking asian heads and the older looking "more mature" heads. Although my Sandy head is pretty close to what I'm thinking.

I would think that if DS would produce this type of doll, they would have a winner on their hands. Based upon some of the photos of the $6,500 ish American and Asian produced dolls (Alottahope and Begog come to mind), these dolls are unbelievably smoking hot and ultra realistic.
To me, it seems like DS produces an amazing range of doll selections, but this type of doll is missing in their lineup.
Basically, a Real Doll or a 4Woods style doll at a lower price point.
I think they could do it well at a lower price. I suspect that for most people, the price of the doll is the main consideration in a purchase.
Yes, I realize that with larger size comes more weight. That's OK with me.
With all due respect to others who may view it differently, I personally want my doll so freakin' real that it does shock me every time I walk into the room she's in.

I think that if DS could produce this doll at a $4,500 to maybe $5,000 price point, they would gain much market share from the other higher priced competitors. I don't like dropping several thousand dollars on much of anything but for some reason to me there seems to be a big difference in spending a little over 4 grand versus 6,500 or 7,000 on a doll. I bet DS could do this and sell a ton of them.

Other quick suggestions:
1. Either reposition the vaginal entry point or put an anal canal in all the dolls (Or at least have this as an option). My 160 plus has no anus. I'm still having some issues with doing the doggie thing. Yes, it's doable but it's not optimal.
2. Make the doll's femur (upper thigh) safely be able to go past 90 degrees of bend toward the abdomen.

Everyone is different and we all have our likes and preferences. Some people like apples, some like oranges. I like apples and oranges.

Come on DS........... You can do it !! Make a bigger, quality doll for as cheap as you can and many people will buy it.
I know I would........

Tell me your thoughts..........

Rocket88

[Rick_Deckard]

I think DS dolls have their own, very definite look wich has become their trademark and appeals to many customers already for both their asian and western market. As such, I don't think they are going to enter the fray of "hyper-realistic" doll models anytime soon, if ever...

[campion]

I think DS dolls have their own, very definite look wich has become their trademark and appeals to many customers already for both their asian and western market. As such, I don't think they are going to enter the fray of "hyper-realistic" doll models anytime soon, if ever...

Well, they make the Fleur and Serena heads which appear to be middle-aged women with bags under their eyes and wrinkles. I'd say that's pretty hyper-realistic!

So while their bread-and-butter today is setting charming faces atop quality, affordable bodies, I am not willing to predict what DS might do next. I will say that the way they appear to have been designed is to mass-produce dolls quickly, hence the relative lack of custom configuration options. This almost certainly saves them lots in terms of manufacturing costs and production time, as they don't spend a lot of time doing custom work.

It's like DS bet that with just a few options most guys would be happy if the price was attractive, and it looks like the market is proving that out. Could they make better dolls, or bigger dolls as requested above? Sure. I expect that 5 years from now their dolls will be much, much better and yes, more realistic.

[deadpringle]

Tell me your thoughts..........

Personally, I like every single lineup I've seen on DS' website. Eventually, I plan to have all four body styles in my collection before I'm done.

I hear what you're saying about the overall size of the dolls. They are on the petite side, to be sure. Myself, I love this style, as it brings an element of cuteness to the doll. However, I realize some guys want a bit bulkier "more Western" style of body. I think that DS tries to appeal to their native markets, which is primarily Japan and China - countries which are comprised of people who are overall smaller in stature than us lumbering Westerners. :)

I think the only critical thing that I can say about my current doll (145cm+) is that I wish her frame was a bit longer so that when we're having sex, I could hug into her, or kiss her face to face, without having to arc my back outward to reach her mouth. As I understand it, the 145cm body was originally 170cm, but it was shrunk down to 145cm later on. This is primarily why I want to get the 168cm and 160cm bodies for my next two purchases.

I think I would offer this as my own conclusion - if you dig Asian-looking ladies, and you like thinner, more petite frames, then DS dolls are right up your alley.

[deadpringle]

I think DS dolls have their own, very definite look wich has become their trademark and appeals to many customers already for both their asian and western market. As such, I don't think they are going to enter the fray of "hyper-realistic" doll models anytime soon, if ever...

I guess it really depends on the demand from the Western market for them. Currently, their doll manufacturing process is very streamlined, which allows them to produce a very realistic doll, without making a customer wait three months for it. Abyss does have some nice touches which are absent on DS dolls, but at the same time, you're paying nearly twice the price for those little nuances, which may or may not matter, depending upon the buyer.

Plus, DS is currently focused on implementing robotics. I would love to see a doll like mine walking and moving around on its own.

If Japanese companies like DS do for the doll industry what their companies did for the auto industry, Abyss better watch their toes.

[Rocket88]

I think DS dolls have their own, very definite look wich has become their trademark and appeals to many customers already for both their asian and western market. As such, I don't think they are going to enter the fray of "hyper-realistic" doll models anytime soon, if ever...

Hello Rick,
Thanks for the reply,

I guess when I'm saying realistic, I'm thinking a larger body size (and a slightly more mature head) would be far and away the most determining factor in realism.
I know several Japanese and Chinese women, and they all have slightly larger body proportions than any of the dolls (and they are petite). Having said that, I have not seen a 158 plus with my own eyes, but I suspect that even the 158 is not 1 to 1 in scale for an average Japanese gal. I could be wrong on that.
Mind you, I'm not complaining at all and I'm very happy with the choice I made, I just think there is a market for a larger doll......

Rocket88

[Rocket88]

I think DS dolls have their own, very definite look wich has become their trademark and appeals to many customers already for both their asian and western market. As such, I don't think they are going to enter the fray of "hyper-realistic" doll models anytime soon, if ever...

Well, they make the Fleur and Serena heads which appear to be middle-aged women with bags under their eyes and wrinkles. I'd say that's pretty hyper-realistic!

Correct !
Good point. So DS is sensitive to concerns such as these....

So while their bread-and-butter today is setting charming faces atop quality, affordable bodies, I am not willing to predict what DS might do next. I will say that the way they appear to have been designed is to mass-produce dolls quickly, hence the relative lack of custom configuration options. This almost certainly saves them lots in terms of manufacturing costs and production time, as they don't spend a lot of time doing custom work.

It's like DS bet that with just a few options most guys would be happy if the price was attractive, and it looks like the market is proving that out. Could they make better dolls, or bigger dolls as requested above? Sure. I expect that 5 years from now their dolls will be much, much better and yes, more realistic.

I could do without any more options to keep the price low, that's fine (except for another rear entry hole to make doggie a better experience).

I wonder, if they could just make a few larger molds for a larger body and head, and make the metal skeleton a bit larger, and add in more foam and silicone..... Would it really be that much more difficult and costly to do so?
I just think the sales of such a doll would justify this.

Rocket88

[haremlover]

Having said that, I have not seen a 158 plus with my own eyes, but I suspect that even the 158 is not 1 to 1 in scale for an average Japanese gal.

The 158 was actually cast from a Japanese porn star. . . .

http://bbs.dsdoll.com/forum.php?mod=vie ... muid=34570

November 2013, Di Aisi simulation doll invited to Japan AV Actress "B Ye na na se" (the original with name - Yamashita Uniqlo) to Dalian plant reproduction of real doll, after the production of eight months, and we finally met!

158cm on the new body, we use the reproduction of "B Ye na na se" my hands and feet, chest and arm were slightly optimized to ensure more coherent whole beautiful doll. Other data in the body "B Ye na na se" have actual data tailored, and strive to restore the actress's real body!



The new head of "B leaf", we used the reproduction of "B Ye na na se" my true face, in order to allow "B leaf" look real and more beautiful, the latter part of the details of our landscaping.

Best wishes

Harem

[Rocket88]

Tell me your thoughts..........

Personally, I like every single lineup I've seen on DS' website. Eventually, I plan to have all four body styles in my collection before I'm done.

I hear what you're saying about the overall size of the dolls. They are on the petite side, to be sure. Myself, I love this style, as it brings an element of cuteness to the doll. However, I realize some guys want a bit bulkier "more Western" style of body. I think that DS tries to appeal to their native markets, which is primarily Japan and China - countries which are comprised of people who are overall smaller in stature than us lumbering Westerners.

I think the only critical thing that I can say about my current doll (145cm+) is that I wish her frame was a bit longer so that when we're having sex, I could hug into her, or kiss her face to face, without having to arc my back outward to reach her mouth. As I understand it, the 145cm body was originally 170cm, but it was shrunk down to 145cm later on. This is primarily why I want to get the 168cm and 160cm bodies for my next two purchases.

I think I would offer this as my own conclusion - if you dig Asian-looking ladies, and you like thinner, more petite frames, then DS dolls are right up your alley.

Hi Deadpringle,
Thanks for responding,

I definitely dig the smaller petite Asian style for sure.
I just wonder what the numbers are for total annual doll sales and what those numbers are for the Asian market versus the western market.
A lot of people in the U.S. and in Europe are buying the larger and more expensive dolls.
Let's say a prospective doll purchaser, wherever they are, had as their ideal, a slim (by human standards) doll, which would be a large doll by doll standards. And say that person would rather only spend $4,500 on a doll, as opposed to $6,500, I think they would go for the $4,500 option nearly every time. Assuming the quality was as good or better than the higher priced version, which the DS Dolls are I think.....

I think as with most things in life, it boils down to the numbers and what profit would it bring to the business.
If the Western size/style doll sales numbers are sufficiently high enough, I feel like DS would do well to seriously consider this......

Thanks,

Rocket88

[haremlover]

http://dollforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=143&t=59076 might well be of assistance

Best wishes

Harem

[Rocket88]

Hello Harem,

Thanks for the photos of the 158 and info.
Yes, I guess the modeling of the doll from the Japanese actress is more in line with what I'm talking about.

But don't you think that there would be a market for a slightly larger but hot and slim "Western" style body and head?
Or not?
Weight be damned! Or, Put a little more foam vs silicone in......
Whatcha think?

Rocket88

[haremlover]

Currently on the French Riviera and mixing with an international crowd from all over the world,

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DS dolls are by no means small. Yes there are real ladies who are bigger but my friend who does a Madonna Double http://www.madonnadouble.com tells me that Madonna herself is only 150. My old 158 is actually nearer 155 so really a very realistic, and manageable size. Anyone who has a DS doll to stay is really appreciative of the weight reductions DS have managed.

Best wishes

Harem

[LaDollyVita]

This may be contrary to the general thought on this forum, but I would like to see DS produce a larger, more mature looking doll.

It's not contrary to general thought, the people who disagree are just more vocal. My very first thought when I received my DS 168cm was "oh no, she's too small!". She has grown on me since first arriving, and her reduced weight has advantages, but I would gladly add weight to her if she could be the size of an adult Western woman. DS is lauded for "weight reduction", which may be true to some degree by use of foam cores, but the real weight reduction is no weight reduction at all, just a smaller model.

By contrast, I have a high-end doll made in America that is scaled to Western standards. Even though my DS is the same height as her, when I take a photo of the three of us together, my DS looks like our teenage daughter. When I take pictures together with my DS doll her head is noticeably smaller than mine. My Western sized doll is proportionally a perfect match for me in photos. This is really no surprise given where they are each manufactured.

I hear what you're saying about the overall size of the dolls. They are on the petite side, to be sure. [...] I realize some guys want a bit bulkier "more Western" style of body. I think that DS tries to appeal to their native markets, which is primarily Japan and China

Nailed it.

DS dolls are by no means small.

By Western standards, yes they are. If you disagree, then by American standards certainly. When customers bring this idea up you are unusually resistant to it for some reason. You are on record preferring the lighter, smaller versions currently available. However, some of us have different tastes and don't find additional weight problematic. We simply want to see DS add another selection tailored to our preferences instead of yours!

So, Rocket88, I'm right there with you! DS makes a fantastic doll with an outstanding skeleton. I would LOVE to buy one that was modeled to the size of a proper Western woman. Market forces will eventually get us there, but don't hold your breath if contemplating another purchase. It's unlikely to happen soon. DS has confirmed previously the majority of their customers are in Asia. Patience, Padawan. Patience.

[haremlover]

DS dolls are by no means small.

By Western standards, yes they are. If you disagree, then by American standards certainly.

There are Americans who are giants . . . but in the mediterranean particularly south of Rome and one sees many in the south of France the range 150-160 is realistic.

The 168 is very tall and skinny, and very good for photography in a confined space with the camera at chest or eye level. She's a small body on long legs. It's proportion that's important and that's where in realism the 158 and 160 have their place. Perhaps DS might do something larger but it leads to greater commercial diversity if DS do what they do well and leave the American manufacturers to do what they do well also.

Best wishes

Harem

[anataus]

my mania are temperature ( and sound) the weak point of silicone /TPE dolls
Aside from the price, that's why many people still prefer plush dolls
Thermal blanket is a poor solution , IMHO, to warm up a 30 kg dolls