question about splitting on DS dolls

deadpringle · Post by **deadpringle** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 9:39 pm

Pronicator wrote:I have a 132 cm and have had to repair it four times in about two months. The first time was because I immediately spread the legs too far without bending them like an idiot. The subsequent times, I realized putting the insert in probably caused the tearing. I now push the insert in and towards her butt at the same time and it seems to do the trick. If you catch the front wall of the cavity at all while putting the insert in, it will tear, so I would definitely call it a small design flaw.

It helps if you powder the insert. It will slide in easier, and it won't come out until you gently pull it out. Plus, when inserting it, you can use your middle finger, or a thick pen, or something to push it inside, without having to stick all of your fingers in the canal, and stretch it open.

The key here is to be gentle, especially with the smaller DS bodies. I can say, however, the 158cm body is *really* rugged. It was designed for sex, as was the cute little porn star from whom it is cast.

karpos · Post by **karpos** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 9:42 pm

deadpringle wrote: I've actually experienced the opposite here. The newer material actually seems more elastic to me. My original 145cm+ with classic formula had a tiny tear in it within a week of use. I can actually spread the new 145cm with new formula further, and as of yet, I have no tearing at all.

Interesting, your 'new' 145 is only a couple of weeks old, correct? I wonder if this is a case of them implementing a fix and seeing what happens before announcing it. Would make sense to do it that way.

lovingchanj · Post by **lovingchanj** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 11:00 pm

I don't think so karpos. DS has not yet addressed this issue.

The reason the larger DS dolls don't have this problem is that they just have so much more mass around the insert area. This is a problem DS has with its' smaller size dolls. There is not enough mass in the vaginal area and as a result it tears easily.

They sure BETTER fix it. But they have NOT fixed it yet. Every 'new silicone' 145 I've seen has this problem. Not to mention pancake feet!

Still the best dolls, but this little hiccup needs to be addressed. C'mon DS we are waiting!

lovingchanj

deadpringle · Post by **deadpringle** » Sun Jul 26, 2015 12:23 am

karpos wrote:
deadpringle wrote: I've actually experienced the opposite here. The newer material actually seems more elastic to me. My original 145cm+ with classic formula had a tiny tear in it within a week of use. I can actually spread the new 145cm with new formula further, and as of yet, I have no tearing at all.
Interesting, your 'new' 145 is only a couple of weeks old, correct? I wonder if this is a case of them implementing a fix and seeing what happens before announcing it. Would make sense to do it that way.

She's actually about a month old now. However, you bring up an interesting point. I seriously wonder...oO(?)

Heck, if DS wanted me to be their beta-tester/guinea pig, I would **SO** be down for that!

deadpringle · Post by **deadpringle** » Sun Jul 26, 2015 12:30 am

lovingchanj wrote:I don't think so karpos. DS has not yet addressed this issue.

The reason the larger DS dolls don't have this problem is that they just have so much more mass around the insert area.

Indeed, my 158cm is more rugged than either of the 145cm bodies. It's literally *made* for sex. I'm so glad I opted for it.

lovingchanj wrote:This is a problem DS has with its' smaller size dolls. There is not enough mass in the vaginal area and as a result it tears easily.

I think it certainly is more prone to it. However, I've been able to avoid this problem. I think a lot of it comes down to extra care, and being gentle, which I always am regardless of which body I'm having fun with.

lovingchanj wrote:They sure BETTER fix it. But they have NOT fixed it yet. Every 'new silicone' 145 I've seen has this problem. Not to mention pancake feet!

Hmmm, I never stand my dolls anyway, so the feet don't bother me at all. Perhaps this issue can be addressed with something like tight socks?

I would honestly be interested to know if people who have experienced vaginal tearing did so while splaying the legs too far open. Is this a problem of design, or a problem of misunderstanding how to use the 145cm body without tearing it? Anyone can say they're "gentle", but I'm sure this is a matter of perspective.

cucky · Post by **cucky** » Sun Jul 26, 2015 3:57 am

Hi

If you set your doll into this position , you have to move both legs at the same time into this position or step by step .

If you move just one leg to that position it could damage the doll .

I dont know if someone did that who had that problem , but maybe it helps new owners to be more gentle by posing the doll .

Peter

Sotaichou · Post by **Sotaichou** » Sun Jul 26, 2015 4:20 am

lovingchanj wrote:Not to mention pancake feet!

really? can someone post a photo. first time catching this and it might be a deal breaker for me depending how it looks.

thx in advance.

*corrected*
*q: so it's a consensus that these dolls "shouldn't" be doing certain positions because it's just not flexible enough? or is this just for the tight joints. (along w/ the vaginal area thing that was mentioned by lovingchanj for the 145s.)

(again, another deal breaker.)

/g'day.

haremlover · Post by **haremlover** » Sun Jul 26, 2015 5:08 am

deadpringle wrote:The newer material actually seems more elastic to me. . . . I can actually spread the new 145cm with new formula further, and as of yet, I have no tearing at all.

This is good to know. My ladies will tell anyone that I treat them as the most precious creations on earth so I'm very cautious with mine.

Best wishes

Harem

karpos · Post by **karpos** » Sun Jul 26, 2015 5:18 am

Sotaichou wrote:
really? can someone post a photo. first time catching this and it might be a deal breaker for me depending how it looks.

thx in advance.

*corrected*
*q: so it's a consensus that these dolls "shouldn't" be doing certain positions because it's just not flexible enough? or is this just for the tight joints. (along w/ the vaginal area thing that was mentioned by lovingchanj for the 145s.)

(again, another deal breaker.)

/g'day.

I'd give it some time Sotaichou. It seems DS has a record for getting these kinds of issues fixed. Like I said earlier, you might want tp wait a couple of months until they actually come up with a definitive fix for the problem as I'm sure they will.

GirlsGang · Post by **GirlsGang** » Sun Jul 26, 2015 5:43 am

For the pancake effect, the foot has to be placed exactly flat to the ground, otherwise the heel is deformed:

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The foot cannot be positioned more upwards than 90° to the lower leg (hard stop) which makes it difficult to get the feet flat to the ground.
Socks and shoes only prevent seeing the deformation. This is why I chose to use my DIY hang system for upright posing.

As posted already I have spent a lot of money for a doll with issues, neither my vendor nor DS helped me other than linking the repair video.

Cucky, thanks for your tip, this is not mentioned in the manual.

deadpringle · Post by **deadpringle** » Sun Jul 26, 2015 11:00 am

GirlsGang wrote:For the pancake effect, the foot has to be placed exactly flat to the ground, otherwise the heel is deformed:

DSC_0143_cr.jpg
The foot cannot be positioned more upwards than 90° to the lower leg (hard stop) which makes it difficult to get the feet flat to the ground.
Socks and shoes only prevent seeing the deformation. This is why I chose to use my DIY hang system for upright posing.

As posted already I have spent a lot of money for a doll with issues, neither my vendor nor DS helped me other than linking the repair video.

Cucky, thanks for your tip, this is not mentioned in the manual.

I get the impression that many of you either think or have been told that DS dolls can stand upright on their own unassisted. This is from DS' FAQ on their website:
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"can the doll stand on her feet??

The doll can stand on her feet against the wall or by holding some support that supports her. But she should only stand for a short time to protect the silicone feet."

Clearly, this means that the doll CANNOT stand unassisted, so whoever is making these claims, please stop doing so.

And this is from their usage recommendation on their site:
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"The thighs of the DS dolls can be separated to both sides to the maximum of 130 degrees and for single leg splitting the leg can be lifted to 100 degrees.

However, we don't recommend opening the doll's thighs too widely and the action can produce much pulling force on the doll's silicone which is easy to cause damage."

Please, let's stop basing complaints on things which others claimed DollSweet said the dolls can do. Clearly, they (DollSweet) have said the same things I have been repeating here all along.

At this point, we need to see pictures of the vaginal tearing before we can continue this critical tone, and we need to see that the tear is apparent with the legs spread apart at the maximum angle DS recommends. I don't like seeing others beating up on a vendor when I see no clear proof of the claims being made here. All we're doing is hurting their business in an unwarranted fashion, which is unacceptable.

Post by **jiayi** » Sun Jul 26, 2015 11:26 am

deadpringle wrote:Please, lets stop basing complaints on things which others claimed DollSweet said the dolls can do.

This thread is in the Doll Sweet area of TDF, so comments about damage and handling should be made by DS doll owners. Conjecture and speculation often leads to the mis-information super-highway. If you want to speculate about a doll brand, perhaps the Dolls in General section would be more appropriate. And be sure to mention it's your opinion.
Lets not breach rule 10 of the Rules Of Conduct please.
Jiayi

haremlover · Post by **haremlover** » Sun Jul 26, 2015 12:42 pm

I should add that the issue of standing is covered in another specific current thread. I am probably personally to blame if people have the impression that current DS dolls can stand by themselves as many of my photos show the old models doing so, but not the new silicone. However I am sure that DS are working on this aspect of the design. The new silicone is such a very great pleasure that the current dangers of standing are worth suffering. I suspect that a modification is possible to enable them to stand, but that is not the subject of this thread which is in any event concerning only the small size dolls.

Best wishes

Harem

GirlsGang · Post by **GirlsGang** » Sun Jul 26, 2015 12:44 pm

Deadpringle,
since you quoted me, where did I state the doll can stand on its own?
The picture states a load of 3-5 kg for the deformation, she was sitting for taking the pic and I pulled on her neck to get some force into the foot.

haremlover · Post by **haremlover** » Sun Jul 26, 2015 12:57 pm

GirlsGang wrote: since you quoted me,

Please don't let this get into a flame war.

It appears that for one reason or another and whether resulting from design or use an undersized DS doll has felt a little weak recently. No doubt DS will be taking that issue with respect to the undersize and possibly the 145 seriously and they don't like any of their dolls to be feeling ill.

The issue of standing is irrelevant in this thread and I know that DS are looking at how standing functionality can be restored but have not achieved the solution they want to see yet.

Best wishes

Harem