Seeking 1st hand info on long term standing capability 168's

[mi6c]

Hello again, fellow discussion members.

While I am happy that there are ideas about this and it certainly is of intriguing ingenuity to those willing to tinker and experiment - and I will gladly help discuss ideas - I still have a generally different take on the state of things.

Where I come from a normal development of something complex has a certain yin-yang quality to it, basically you create, then consolidate, then add, then consolidate, then enhance, then consolidate, ..., I think you get the idea.

Going just briefly over what DS accomplished over the last few years I'll just pick the skeleton and the soft silicone as examples.

Now the skeleton, being a generation or two older is perceived to be amongst the best in the industry, so there was no need to do much in that area.

From the feedback of this very forum I am led to believe that the soft silicone on the other hand is a big leap forward from the previous formula on several frontiers, and specifically on the frontier the doll is mostly made for - intimacy, touch, ... - it actually is a step forward towards photography due to exhibiting less shinyness as well.

So imho the current state of no longer being able to just let the doll stand on its own for a while( leaning or holding onto a 3rd spot for support and for minutes, not months) - something that was possible in the last generations - is just a slight oversight at best coming from no need to investigate into improving an already great skeleton and just overlooking the effects of the otherwise great new silicon formula on the heels.

Giving my perception of DS's commitment to excellence and their impressive innovation cycle, I would be very surprised if it takes more than two generations of dolls from here until this slight oversight is not only remedied but likely improved upon.

So while I find the tinkering ideas interesting, I think a better approach would be to provide ideas how this could be solved reasonably easy and cheaply( we all do not want higher doll prices, do we?) at the manufacturer level while creating the doll.

When taking a look at the current state - imho - the main issue is a pretty large heel area that is made entirely out of the soft silicone and does not have a bone( core, metal plate) inside, resulting in a heel you can actually bend sideways pretty wide, something that humans cant do anyway.

So my initial take would be to just propose adding some more metal plate or stiff, strong core filling to the heel and then just pour less of the silicone there - that should give a more lifelike feel and way better stability at the same time and cost next to nothing to do.

In any case I still thank everyone for their input and I am looking forward to even better and again casually standing DS dolls in the future.

Kind regards.

[haremlover]

So my initial take would be to just propose adding some more metal plate or stiff, strong core filling to the heel and then just pour less of the silicone there - that should give a more lifelike feel and way better stability at the same time and cost next to nothing to do.

I think you're quite right and that it won't have escaped DS in their design process . . .

But extending the metal will only cut through the silicone - it has to be cushioned by harder silicone

Best wishes

Harem

[DS Doll Europe]

So my initial take would be to just propose adding some more metal plate or stiff, strong core filling to the heel and then just pour less of the silicone there […]

I'm afraid Harem is right. Your proposed changes wouldn't do the job.

Ideally, DS would a) have to modify the area where the force of the weight cumulates in the sole of the foot (and spread the force further from a single point to multiple points), and b) pour different silicones (harder in the heels, and in the soles of the feet). Both is probably doable, but would increase the complexity of the skeleton even further, and make the molding process more expensive.

So for now I believe it is just a rational business decision to make the dolls the way they are - loose one customer (who wants a standing doll), and gain three new ones (who most of all want an affordable and soft doll). I'm pretty sure that Doll Sweet will - depending on customer input - have a look at this challenge, but I'm not sure how many customers really want their dolls to be able to stand.

Greeting, Sandro

[haremlover]

So for now I believe it is just a rational business decision to make the dolls the way they are - loose one customer (who wants a standing doll), and gain three new ones (who most of all want an affordable and soft doll). I'm pretty sure that Doll Sweet will - depending on customer input - have a look at this challenge, but I'm not sure how many customers really want their dolls to be able to stand.

I'm sure that DS are most probably looking at this.

There is a significant base of people for whom photography is important, her coming to life. The ability to stand allows versatility in photography and indeed in setting up scenes and handling and in this way the DS becomes much more than just a bed doll.

There are probably many of us who come to dolls thinking sex to be the most important thing, but as a personality develops, its then that whether originally intended photography becomes the greatest of fun and its then, when she demonstrates the universality of her capabilities that the DS doll wins hands down.

There then starts to be a side effect for the company, whether standing is important or not in the decision to buy, because our photos generate an enthusiasm for the dolls. So even if standing is only important to 10% of people, the reach of the ability to stand in being able to produce photos is worth much much more than 10% to the marketing and customer base of the company, allowing their products to punch above their weight. So the standing modification in due course is vital.

Best wishes

Harem

[Doll Sweet - EXdoll]

our DS doll can't standing with bare feet.

in order the better feeling skin, the silicone is very soft.
we don't recommend the doll standing with bare feet, all the doll weight will pressure on the feet. that may tear the skin.

please check this webpage:
http://www.dsdoll.us/support.html?page=moverange

if doll owner must let the doll standing, we recommend use the doll hook and hang kits.
that is design for all the standing pose.
please check our website video page, there are some videos for reference.
( in fact, it is not necessary order the hang kits from us, it is very easy DIY a doll hang kit and hang the doll anywhere )

and all the standing pictures in our gallery was using the doll hang kits when we took pictures.
here are some working pictures I took by my cell phone, hope may reference:

[haremlover]

Thanks for those instructions, which will help many of the buyers of the new dolls. But this limits the photographic use of dolls to studio work in which there is a facility from which to hang the doll.

For me, whilst I enjoy scrumptiously the tactile and visual qualities of the new dolls the old dolls have a very special value in being able to work in the field . . . literally . . . For me the hanging kit is a workaround rather than a solution. . .

Elsewhere I've mentioned that DS tick all the boxes - but standing is a box that's become un-ticked.

So I really do hope that DS will take seriously suggestions to re-enable their dolls to stand on their own as the old ones were capable of doing.

Best wishes

Harem

[Obin]

That sure is a pretty, lady like figure in that photo.

[sture]

RD got Duracast, could that be something that would work?

[DarkOne]

Thanks for those instructions, which will help many of the buyers of the new dolls. But this limits the photographic use of dolls to studio work in which there is a facility from which to hang the doll.

For me, whilst I enjoy scrumptiously the tactile and visual qualities of the new dolls the old dolls have a very special value in being able to work in the field . . . literally . . . For me the hanging kit is a workaround rather than a solution. . .

Elsewhere I've mentioned that DS tick all the boxes - but standing is a box that's become un-ticked.

So I really do hope that DS will take seriously suggestions to re-enable their dolls to stand on their own as the old ones were capable of doing.

Best wishes

Harem

Agreed, I would really love to see some solutions for standing a DS doll without a stand.

If you need any suggestions DS just ask, we got plenty you could consider!