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Which ONE of the following MOST describes your doll interests? (Votes may be changed anytime)

I am a Doll Owner
51
22%
I am a Doll Collector
9
4%
I am a Doll Hobbyist
10
4%
I am a Doll Enthusiast
18
8%
I am a Doll Admirer
29
13%
I am a Doll Lover
59
26%
I am a Doll Fucker
29
13%
I am a Doll Addict
9
4%
I am an iDollator
13
6%
 
Total votes: 227

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Dolly Definition: iDollator

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OK. Here is your chance to let the media know what most doll owners in our community are. A chance 'For the Record' so when journalists visit they can get a better idea of how we view ourselves.

Dang, I own dolls, I collect dolls, I admire dolls, I love dolls and yes Doll Fucker may descriptive of my activities, however I consider myself to be an enthusiast :) Dolls are more to me than just a sex toy. They are a fantasy play toy, a great cuddle fun to photograph and also something I can share within the camaraderie of a community like TDF.

You can change your VOTE anytime, in case you change your mind after reading some of he posts.

Why I put this here....

Idollator is not defined in any recognized dictionary. The closest term we have is the verb Idolize:
Quick definitions (idolize)

▸ verb: love unquestioningly and uncritically or to excess; venerate as an idol
Actually there is one even closer...
Quick definitions (idolater)

▸ noun: a person who worships idols
The following is an excerpt from another thread I posted in...
Given the closeness of the two words it is understandable why using the word Idollators to describe our doll community in general, tends towards misleading outsiders to our community that we Idolize our dolls, which most of us do not. The term "Idollator" implies extremes.

Therefore, given further consideration, I now take the stand, that based on the above argument, that the majority of doll owners are not iDollators, and that "iDollators" as the term has been represented, form only a small minority of our doll owners community.

Most people form their opinions of doll owners based on media representation. Therefore if only owners with extreme viewpoints have appeared in the media to date, and often the same faces, then that is how people will perceive our community as a whole. Therefore, if the most prominent doll owner seen in the media presents himself as an iDollator, then people will eventually define the term in his image - especially if the academically arrived at interpretation of the word and the media representation support each other..
Salon Media Group, Inc. By Meghan Laslocky Oct 11, 2005 wrote:Many doll lovers -- or "iDollators," as some of them call themselves -- participate in a confusing online subculture where the lines between art and pornography, the ludicrous and the tender, and fantasy and fetishism blur like watercolors.
The above indicates that iDollators form just some of the community.
October 14, 2007|By Violet Blue wrote:She projects herself as a fellow "iDollator" (the current online terminology), a person who sees her doll as both a sex toy and a companion with which she has a human relationship." "Ryan Gosling as Lars with his doll girlfriend. If the character were a real person, he might be called an "iDollator." "The most well-known Internet iDollator personality is Davecat"
Again these all tend to push the definition of iDollator to the extreme.
Nov 25, 07 | Fake Intimacy (Part IV)- iDollators wrote:...what we’ve deemed “fake intimacy.” The latest term to refer to someone in a romantic relationships with a love doll is an “iDollator.
Again this pushes the relationship definition. The media has taken its lead from the interviewees. To have the public accept this a a general name for doll owners woudl be like paddling against the current. Far better to accept the term as the outside world has accepted.
So given the above do you feel that the term iDollator accurately describes YOU?

Please post what you feel the term iDollator invokes in yourself or in others? Would you want to be labeled as iDollator or something less extreme sounding?

Based on usage to date, especially media and public perception I would define idollator as:
One who prefers a love doll over a normal human relationship.
Midiman

Edited September 2, 2010. Removed unnecessary references and add stronger examples.
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Post by narcissus »

I am a Doll Lover,

since I love all 6 of my Candy8teens dearly and sincerely, always.
Please post what you feel the term iDollator invokes in yourself or in others? Would you want to be labeled as iDollator or something less extreme sounding?
I never really like the term, as in it's pronounciation and is it a portmanteau? wordplay of some kind anyways. No offense to Davecat, who coined the term, right?

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narcissus wrote:I never really like the term, as in it's pronounciation and is it a portmanteau? wordplay of some kind anyways. No offense to Davecat, who coined the term, right?
That brings a good question to mind....

WHO COINED THE TERM iDollator and when?

I'd be interested in the intended meaning.

Mind you it's obvious derivation from the word idol or idolize implies strong meaning to that effect.

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Bianca wrote: That brings a good question to mind....

WHO COINED THE TERM iDollator and when?
AND what it means exactly to said person or persons involved inthe coining of it. And since it's coining, too, the term probably or may have taken on other meanings, kinda like how definitions can have more meanings ot them.

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Admirer for now, and have been for years. However, I plan to soon be an owner, collector and enthusiast.

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A simple search revealed the earliest use of the word 'Idollator' was by member JD in this thread back in 2002....

http://dollforum.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... r&start=15

Interestingly enough, Davecat posted after and gave it his seal of approval. I will ask him if this was the 1st time the word was used.

I'm more than willing to bet it was just simple play on words to have a word (with a bit of a techie sound) to describe a fan of the hobby... like 'Trekkie' for Star Trek or 'Leaper' for Quantum Leap.
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I was a an admirer for many years until my dream became a reality.
My doll is part of my life now and most treasured.
She is 'awesome' to cuddle with, make LOve to and cherish.
I find myself just admiring her daily.
I Love being a 'high end doll owner'
Dreams do come true!

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We'll I am going to pick Addict :D :D :D
reasons are because when I get home and see her waiting for me :D :D :D
All of my tensions disappear with her waiting for me to cuddle and hug :multi: :multi: :multi:
I have noticed over the year that she is been with me I think of her more often than not when I am a way :? 8O :o :D :D :D
Which I never expected to happen 8O 8O 8O
She just grows on me with her presence which has totally astonished me :D :D :D
I would have never thought that she would be such a big present in my life :? :?
But I am more than overjoyed that it has worked out that way :multi: :multi: :multi: :multi: :multi:

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Euchre wrote:A simple search revealed the earliest use of the word 'Idollator' was by member JD in this thread back in 2002....

http://dollforum.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... r&start=15

Interestingly enough, Davecat posted after and gave it his seal of approval. I will ask him if this was the 1st time the word was used.

I'm more than willing to bet it was just simple play on words to have a word (with a bit of a techie sound) to describe a fan of the hobby... like 'Trekkie' for Star Trek or 'Leaper' for Quantum Leap.
Thanks, Euchre. I wish you would drop by to share dolly stuff with us more often. Great research work :)

Words in the English language are derived from other words in the English language. Therefore the name iDollator will almost certainly be perceived by the average individual as a worshiper of dolls. To reinforce that, let's look at a few similar words and especially one that sounds virtually the same when spoken...
idolater ▸ noun: (1) a person who worships idols (2) a person that admires intensely and often blindly one that is not usually a subject of worship
and
idolize ▸ verb: (1) love unquestioningly and uncritically or to excess; venerate as an idol (2) To regard with blind admiration or devotion.
Both suggest extremes rather than norms. Therefore it is my opinion that the term iDollator used in the context of the doll community might be defined as the following. (Perhaps others could expand upon it...)
iDollator ▸ noun: One who chooses a doll as a companion to simulate an intimate relationship to the exclusion or want of having that relationship with another human being.
Perhaps if the community is of the opinion it needs to label itself we could start putting forth names in this or another thread,,(like "Doller" or "Dollor"). They may not have the pizaz of iDollator but at least they may pass the scrutiny of English experts who ultimately determine whether or not a word will make it into the pages of our dictionaries.

The most important thing in this exercise is to first get some sort of doll community consensus as to its definition of iDollator and to who in the community, if not all, it represents. Then at least we have a reference point for taking it beyond the community.

I am quite comfortable referring to myself as any of the first 6 choices in the poll above, especially where love comes in many forms. Then again I do find that 'I Doll Later' than most (groan) in the community, often not getting to bed until after the sun rises :)

That's my take.
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G'day everyone,...

midiman wrote:
Perhaps if the community is of the opinion it needs to label itself we could start putting forth names in this or another thread,,(like "Doller" or "Dollor").
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JD responded to another poster explaining how he coined the term "Idollator"
JD wrote:Actually the technical term is "pygmalionist", but I've never much cared for it, despite the classy Greek mythological reference.
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"Pygmalionist" just sounds too much like "pig". :? The clinical term is agalmatophile, which one online dictionary says is most likely a fictional paraphilia since it's never actually been clinically observed. After all, we are biologically programmed to be attracted to other humans, so is it really so odd to find realistic or even abstract replications of the human form desirable as well? And as a paraphilia, the implication is that one is attracted to human-like objects to the exclusion of living humans. My guess is that the diagnosis of agalmatophilia is just made by narrow minded psychiatrists who are themselves agalmatophobic. :wink:

I voted for Doll Lover, because I love my dolls. I cherish them, especially Caley. I've never had the affection for an inanimate possession that I do for her, not even as a child with my stuffed animals. After all, acquiring new plushies never complicated my "relationships" with the old ones. So while I promised Stacy I'd make an honest effort to keep Ana, rather than just documenting her mods and passing her on, I ultimately had to imagine that Caley was overjoyed to have a new friend here in the Shoebox for it to work. I still play with Caley by herself, but I almost never play with Ana without Caley being involved. In some ways, developing their personalities is like writing fiction, except that I'm still me rather than another fictional character. And just as the real me is monogamous by nature, the fantasy me who interacts with the dolls can only see Ana as a friend-with-benefits (Caley being the actual girlfriend). The difference is that the real me wouldn't be comfortable with my living girlfriend having a girlfriend of her own whom she loves just as much as me, or with having a FWB, for that matter; I know I'm probably in the minority of men on this, but I'm actually turned off by the idea of sex with my female friends (acquaintances, sure, but not my true friends).

One thing I definitely don't see myself as is an iDollator. As Midiman pointed out, it implies someone whose affection for their doll(s) borders on worship. Plus, I'm just not crazy about goofy terms like that. Some of my fellow naturalists refer to themselves as "brights" on the grounds that a positive-sounding term will lead to increased positive perception (much as "gay" has done for homosexuals), and while I embraced it at first, I've since begun to see it as contrived as well as borderline arrogant (i.e. the implication that naturalists are inherently smarter than "supers"). Most of the other terms on the list apply to me, though. Well, I'm not an addict in any but the most figurative sense of the word, nor am I a collector since my second doll was a gift that I'd've likely never acquired on my own. But I am an enthusiast, as I'm interested in seeing and hearing about other dolls besides my own, thus making me an admirer as well. I also enjoy dressing up and occasionally photographing my dolls, so that would make me a hobbyist, and of course I fuck them. :mrgreen: But doll lover is really the most accurate. I might water it down and simply refer to myself as a "doll owner" to non-doll people, but at least I'm free to be a doll lover here among the other owners, collectors, hobbyists, enthusiasts, admirers, lovers, fuckers, addicts, and iDollators... :wink:

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Gents"

"Aficianado ?" has a nice ring to it!...If you're into labeling.

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Ruby13 wrote:Gents"

"Aficianado ?" has a nice ring to it!...If you're into labeling.

D @ R- 13
He Don,

It certainly sounds like you :)

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NotMyName wrote:"Pygmalionist" just sounds too much like "pig". :? The clinical term is agalmatophile, which one online dictionary says is most likely a fictional paraphilia since it's never actually been clinically observed. After all, we are biologically programmed to be attracted to other humans, so is it really so odd to find realistic or even abstract replications of the human form desirable as well? And as a paraphilia, the implication is that one is attracted to human-like objects to the exclusion of living humans. My guess is that the diagnosis of agalmatophilia is just made by narrow minded psychiatrists who are themselves agalmatophobic. :wink:
Implied onomatopoeia aside at least Pygmalionism is easier to pronounce (I'm still trying to wrap my tongue around "agalmatophile"). And other paraphilias are "clinically unobservable" as well. Vorarephilia being a perfect example, as it is physically impossible to begin with. And as far as Pygmalionism never actually having been clinically observed, don't we have any psycho-specialists in these forums? :roll:

And just to throw in a couple of primate spanners of my own...

Wouldn't a doll Collector, Hobbyist, Fucker or Addict by definition need to be an Owner as well?

One who Collects is usually considered to be a Hobbyist, and an addict would definitely be a Collector, and therefore a Hobbyist as well.

Anyone who Loves dolls, and definitely one which Idollizes them would also Enthusiastically Admire them.

Every selection on that list would also be an Admirer.

If you Love your doll. it stands to reason you're likely to Fuck it as well.


I could continue (ad absurdum), but I think y'all get my drift. I put down Owner; even though I use her almost exclusively for photography, it is the photography that is my hobby, not the simuloid.
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