Buying head only from China. Customs to Europe?

DreamyDollGirl · Post by **DreamyDollGirl** » Fri Jan 27, 2017 2:05 am

I live in Sweden and planning to buy a head from WM dolls becouse I want to see,feel and smell the tpe material before I buy a full doll. Has anyone bought a head only from wm dolls website directly and shipped to EU? If so did you have to pay alot of customs and tax fee? I know from buying other things from China that they often write down the value and mark as "gift" to avoid additional fees. How do WM dolls do? Will it be cheaper in the end to buy from a German vendor including all additional fees?

Tomoe · Post by **Tomoe** » Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:49 am

Importing to Sweden from outside the EU you should expect to pay a VAT of 25%, import duty of 7% (I think), and a processing fee of 125 SEK. This is for anything valued at over 200 SEK (below that there is no tax). For gifts this limit is 500 SEK, but the customs people aren't stupid and know that packages from a Chinese company aren't usually really a gift, so if declared that way they may ask for some sort of proof.

titjob · Post by **titjob** » Fri Jan 27, 2017 1:50 pm

may you can ask for just a part of free material from a out of order doll.

what head do you like most ?

I think its easier to buy by germany if some goes wrong.

gummipuppen is ok.

haremlover · Post by **haremlover** » Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:04 pm

A single head should be classified under HS Tariff Code 9503 00 29 for which there is no extra import duty

Best wishes

Harem

DreamyDollGirl · Post by **DreamyDollGirl** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:51 am

Thank you for your answers. I'm still abit confused over how to know the final price for different options. And then I can't seem to pick eye colour when ordering a head from WM site directly. Anyone know why?

DreamyDollGirl · Post by **DreamyDollGirl** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:57 am

titjob wrote:may you can ask for just a part of free material from a out of order doll.

what head do you like most ?

I think its easier to buy by germany if some goes wrong.

gummipuppen is ok.

Getting a sample of the material is not the only reason I plan to buy a head. I'm madly in love with head 36. It will be about a year until I can afford a full doll and I just don't have the patience to wait that long to see if this kind of doll is for me. If i like it I figure I can have some fun with a floating head while I save up to buy a full doll with another head, probably the sleeping one that looks like 36

DreamyDollGirl · Post by **DreamyDollGirl** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:57 am

haremlover wrote:A single head should be classified under HS Tariff Code 9503 00 29 for which there is no extra import duty

Best wishes

Harem

Interesting have to look up more info on this

haremlover · Post by **haremlover** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:07 pm

HS Tariff Code 9503 00 29

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/classifying ... -equipment

If you're using another currency I'd wait till the US$ goes down. I've just bought another DS head and it's cost me around 30% more than the last one.

Best wishes

Harem

sture · Post by **sture** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:38 pm

Hi DreamyDollGirl !

I have ordered some TPE heads from various manufacturers and besides the product and shipping cost I haven´t payed more than around 250 SEK for VAT and other stuff. Be shure though to choose DHL and not Fedex for delivery.
Because Fedex now have a policy to not deliver packages with "pornographic" content. Which meens that if they by some reason would like to check what´s inside your package, they won´t deliver it!

DreamyDollGirl · Post by **DreamyDollGirl** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:36 am

sture wrote:Hi DreamyDollGirl !

I have ordered some TPE heads from various manufacturers and besides the product and shipping cost I haven´t payed more than around 250 SEK for VAT and other stuff. Be shure though to choose DHL and not Fedex for delivery.
Because Fedex now have a policy to not deliver packages with "pornographic" content. Which meens that if they by some reason would like to check what´s inside your package, they won´t deliver it!

This is very valuable information. Thanks sture!

Kcupusay · Post by **Kcupusay** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:38 am

Unless it's a head only available from WM dolls which is unlikely buy from a European vender and ensure that purchase tax duty and shipping is included in the advertised cost...WM maximise thier profits if you buy direct from them and don't include taxes etc in the advertised price..WM is not a vendor it's a manufacturer...They supply venders. Don't pay far more than you need to and take risks you can easily avoid

haremlover · Post by **haremlover** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:47 am

sture wrote: Because Fedex now have a policy to not deliver packages with "pornographic" content. Which meens that if they by some reason would like to check what´s inside your package, they won´t deliver it!

This can be opposed.

It's probably based upon their difficult experience with Customs.

In the UK Customs have been acting wrongfully under an Act of 1876 which was responsible for the committing of Oscar Wilde and Alan Turing to prison for homosexuality. Official pardons have now been given and confiscations of dolls under the 1876 act without regard to the Judgment of the European Court in the Conegate case are unlawful.

As a result adult dolls are not to be considered within pornographic regulations and there should be no problem with Fedex.

Best wishes

Harem

sture · Post by **sture** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:45 pm

haremlover wrote:
sture wrote: Because Fedex now have a policy to not deliver packages with "pornographic" content. Which meens that if they by some reason would like to check what´s inside your package, they won´t deliver it!
This can be opposed.

It's probably based upon their difficult experience with Customs.

In the UK Customs have been acting wrongfully under an Act of 1876 which was responsible for the committing of Oscar Wilde and Alan Turing to prison for homosexuality. Official pardons have now been given and confiscations of dolls under the 1876 act without regard to the Judgment of the European Court in the Conegate case are unlawful.

As a result adult dolls are not to be considered within pornographic regulations and there should be no problem with Fedex.

Best wishes

Harem

But there is...
...and...
Unlike the customs in UK, there´s no problem with the customs (Tullverket) in Sweden for example, the problem is Fedex related.
Also, put aside your subjectives here, IRL these dolls are considered as sexdolls (pornographic) and by therefore unacceptable for carriage.

Here´s a link to Fedex Conditions of Service:
http://www.fedex.com/gi/services/terms/
Read 8.11

Opposed? Why don´t you contact Fedex yourself, in UK and hear what they have to say regarding this matter?...

Oh, I forgot to mention...I have a quarrel with Fedex right now, because they refuse to deliver a doll (WM 152 cm) to my home!

Torkan · Post by **Torkan** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 3:12 pm

You can try and send an e-mail to the vendor before you order, and maybe they will help you out. I did that when I saw a vendor had a Christmas promotion. While we discussed which doll I wanted, I also asked if I could split the payment into two parts. I paid in one smaller sum and one larger.
<removed, Rule 2>

As for the Fedex vs DHL issue. I ordered another doll, a 100cm WM doll, in the beginning of December, and Fedex has had it with status "Clearance Delay" since mid December. I've contacted them several times and they say it's being processed by customs, which is weird, because customs say on the homepage that everything is handled by the courier company and not them. That they don't keep or store any packages.
I had no issues whatsoever with DHL. I hope this issue with Fedex is something that will be sorted out, and I would like to think that Fedex would let me know if they have no plans of delivering my doll, but who knows. It's been 6 weeks now and I still can't get any information from Fedex.

haremlover · Post by **haremlover** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 3:24 pm

The definition of pornography / obscene material has to accord with legislation.

That provision is in place for the purpose of protecting Fedex against being party to contravention of legislation relating to illegal items.

By reason of the European Court of Justice decision in the case of Conegate vs Customs and Excise 1986 rubber dolls were excluded from consideration as illegal items. "Pornographic" has to be construed in terms of "prohibited".

Rubber dolls are not prohibited and the numpty at Fedex responsible for their arbitrary opinion needs to be educated.

The summary of law is set out on http://dollforum.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p1029858 Rubber dolls are as legal as plastic penises used by women. They are just larger.

This is the importance for members to build up a corpus of photographic work demonstrating that rubber dolls are not pornographic. That is particularly the pleasure with which I've seen this month's Photo Challenge winners which are possibly the furthest away I've seen from pornography at TDF. We need dolls to acquire a reputation of not being pornographic.

This is the very reason why DS have used the slogan on http://www.dsdoll.us/ "The high-end life size silicone sex dolls and photographic models" and perhaps we might encourage Sam at WM and other manufacturers to do likewise.

Dolls although capable of sex are capable of so much more.

If you would like to PM me with your email address I will send you a copy of the Chloé book to forward to Fedex in evidence that dolls are not pornographic. If you would like me to assist in levering them, I'll be happy to do so, although the time engaged on these battles is tedious and I've put other things aside to progress them. But it's a fight that needs to be engaged.

Torkan - please see http://dollforum.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p1040380 You should get a seizure letter from Customs. That will give a phone number and a procedure to follow. Ideally under the Conegate case it's better to persuade them that their seizure is against the law set out by the European Court of Justice in 1986 and that the matter should need to go no further. If you can phone and ask for an email address that's great and I will be happy to help you. If they refuse to give an email address then refer to guidance given to Customs which does not prohibit sex dolls and which refers to common sense. It instructs that if in doubt officers should speak to their line manager. So if you have a refusal, ask to speak to the line manager. When you speak to the line manager, say that this is not specifically in relation to your doll but all dolls and that you want to be able to explain in writing to them how and why a mistake has been made so that everyone's time and misery is not repeated over and over again.

The photograph taken by Staycool64 on his 100cm doll For Sale thread is most helpful in demonstrating that the doll is a representation of an adult female and not a young girl and so not a matter which can help authorities track down anyone with xxxxxphilia in their minds. It demonstrates clearly that they're looking in the wrong place and exercising themselves uselessly.

Best wishes

Harem