WM Skin tone variance and a hope for a standardization

DexterQuest · Post by **DexterQuest** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:41 pm

I ordered two WM dolls with "Tan", but they were wildly different colors. The first one was barely tan, but it was acceptable. The second one was too tan, and I got a bit upset. At least she is still attractive to me. It's just an unhealthy tan that would turn skin to leather and cancer if continued. I try not to think of these things, but my biggest complaint is the consistency. I wanted all my girls to be sisters, but they don't really look the part and so now they are step sisters.

WM Dolls should work towards having a reliable color palette within a small variance. All the manufactures should come together for a color standards compliance and have at least 8 consistent colors we can pick from any vendor.

White ("Pale")
Fair ("Natural")
Pink ("Blushing")
Golden Tan ("Honey"/"California Tan")
Medium Tan (middle between fair and tan)
Tan ("Dark Tan")
Cocoa
Black ("Chocolate")

For my third WM doll, I'm telling the vendor to please do a "medium" golden/honey tan. I have a reference picture and I would encourage everyone who makes an order to send a set of photos for the color you are hoping for in contrast to what you don't want.

First I sent the picture complaining about how the "Tan" was so different.

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The response was that every doll will be different. Skin tone consistency is my only real complaint between these two wonderful dolls. It would be nice of their inserts also matched too.

Here is what I've sent to the vendor for my new order. I would encourage everyone send in something similar for future orders. You might have one order that went well. And don't want you guys to be surprised with a second order. Definitely send in pictures of your existing doll if you are hoping for a color likeness.

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Nord · Post by **Nord** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:16 pm

Wow that looks way too different to just be blamed on "every doll is different". I can understand if there is a slight difference, especially if ordered a whole year or more apart, but not that exteme, unless they officially announce that they are adjusting their skin-color options for whatever reason.

I did have a similar experience with WM, as I originally ordered my doll with a head with closed eyes, I decided to get the matching head with eyes open as well about 2 months later. I had the "natural" skin color on both, but the new head with opened eyes was noticeably more pink, although it depended much on the overall lighting in the room. I didn't care much though because there will be makeup and wig on top of it anyway. Not anywhere close to your example though!

windave · Post by **windave** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:28 pm

It is all in the eye of the beholder.

ZZZZ · Post by **ZZZZ** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:45 pm

If the "same" color can vary, that's one quality control problem.

Not even attempting to produce a doll in the color you ordered would be another, separate quality control problem.

JunkGuy · Post by **JunkGuy** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:47 am

That's two different vendors and they may have had different names for colors, so I'm not sure its a fair complaint. But in my opinion SRSD ordered or WM made you a cocoa doll in error, becuase that shouldn't be considered tan in any vendor's catalog.

Before placing an order, check out other dolls offered from your vendor using the name they supply for the skintone. If they have dolls in 'tan', or whatever color you want, tell your vendor you want the same skintone as <dollname> from their website. Pegging it to one of their dolls helps you define your wishes to them and when it arrives if its not a reasonbly close match then either WM or your vendor has let you down. Good vendors will replace if you're not satisfied.

Also, always always always ask for factory photos - your issue could have been solved before she left the factory by showing you your second doll was way too dark.

ZannyDanger · Post by **ZannyDanger** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:52 am

My 1am Tan looks an aweful lot like the one on the left so yeah... might be vendor specific?

That does look pretty damn dark though.

ZZZZ · Post by **ZZZZ** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 1:02 am

JunkGuy wrote:Also, always always always ask for factory photos - your issue could have been solved before she left the factory by showing you your second doll was way too dark.

The factory didn't send me the color I asked for. By a huge "coincidence", the factory didn't send me the pre-shipment photos I asked for either.

You should always ask for factory photos, and you should be very suspicious when you don't get them.

alanseveneleven · Post by **alanseveneleven** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 1:11 am

Sorry this happened to you Dex. Tan is my top choice as well and this will likely keep me away from going to WM. Quality control is one thing, telling you to take a hike when it's their fault is another.

You should protest that your 2nd doll is beyond tan and abnormal. WM should replace her for you. If WM doesn't come through I will be scratching them off my next place to shop. You should do the same friend.

LJ69 · Post by **LJ69** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:17 am

That is totally shit that you can get two such vastly different TAN dolls. Ridiculous. I have 5 dolls all NATURAL skin tone and I am always extremely diligent in making sure that I emphasize exactly what I want, especially when ordering from people who English is not their first/main language. I always send photo examples of what I want.

So far I have been fortunate in that all 5 dolls are very similar in body tone. I say fortunate after seeing your bad luck but in reality it should be pretty simple. Manufacturers should know that we want to mix-and-match different doll bodies and heads and have a duty of care to make sure that a WM TAN doll is the same tone as an OR TAN doll or a YL TAN doll. Considering as WM OR and YL all come from the same Jinsan factory then it should be an easy task to keep the same skin tone consistency.

Alas we live in a flawed world and mistakes happen but you should never have gotten such a vast contrast in skin tones. Simply unacceptable.

sakurafan1217 · Post by **sakurafan1217** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:32 pm

Has anyone had this issue with RealLoveSexDolls?
That's where I plan on ordering my doll from, I'm looking at this model.

https://reallovesexdolls.com/lifelike-r ... l-delight/

Sense this is a pre-made model they order all the time, they should have the color set right?
Has anyone ordered a "Tan" doll from RealLoveSexDolls and had a problem?
Kinda has me worried, because like DexterQuest called it, the goal should be "California Tan", not Indian.

JunkGuy · Post by **JunkGuy** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:13 pm

I didn't have a problem with skin tone, but areola color. I ordered from RLSD and the factory photos they sent had dark brown areola and nipples which wasn't present on the 165K model I was basing Brie on (i.e., I pegged it to one of their models.) I asked if they could recolor and they did, no questions asked. This is why you want factory photos and, when possible, features to match the dolls from the vendor's website for comparison purposes.

RLSD also now offers an on-site factory inspection by someone getting paid by them, so they can make absolutely sure everything about the doll is exactly what you want before they ship, not just the things you can see in factory photos.

If you have concerns, go with a vendor that offers a satisfaction guarantee and buys back the doll if it doesn't match what you had in mind. RLSD will and I'm sure there are some others that do as well.

JCnine · Post by **JCnine** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:10 pm

sakurafan1217 wrote:Has anyone had this issue with RealLoveSexDolls?
That's where I plan on ordering my doll from, I'm looking at this model.

https://reallovesexdolls.com/lifelike-r ... l-delight/

Sense this is a pre-made model they order all the time, they should have the color set right?
Has anyone ordered a "Tan" doll from RealLoveSexDolls and had a problem?
Kinda has me worried, because like DexterQuest called it, the goal should be "California Tan", not Indian.

I've heard mostly good things about RLSD. You might want to check out this guys thread. He ordered that exact preconfigured doll so it should give you a good idea of what she will look like when she gets to your doorstep! http://dollforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=240&t=71297

CF · Post by CF » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:24 pm

Good post, DexterQuest. Asking for all companies to agree on standards may be requesting too much, but for individual manufacturers to demand certain naming conventions from their vendors seems fair, and a good way of ensuring the protection of their brand.