WARNING for TPE doll buyers

Post by **Dollstudio** » Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:21 pm

Hi,

during the past months, some alarming developments regarding TPE dolls pervaded the (Chinese) doll industry.

a) The most worrying part is that the so called fakes or copies seem to become very common. It ain't no news that fakes and copies exist, but the scope of their dissemination is new. Vendors are constantly offered a "cheaper" version of certain popular body styles. Since these "cheaper" variants are so omnipresent, I'm no longer sure what goes more often into circulation - the original or the copy.

Since most TPE dolls don't have serial numbers or other counterfeit-proof attributes, it is almost impossible to clearly distinguish a good fake from a bad original. The only thing customers can currently do before buying is to either blindly trust their vendor, or to firmly ask their vendor to disclose his supply chain and then back-check the response with the mentioned manufacturer or distributor.

b) It's also no news that manufacturer photos are fradulently used to promote dolls of other origin than depicted. Sellers on platforms like Alibaba, Ebay and even Amazon are notorious for this practice. What's new is that even seemingly trustworthy (and well-known) vendors seem to have started to adapt this dishonest pattern.

I was recently told by a outraged customer that he contacted three well-know German vendors about a certain doll from YL which is being promoted with pictures from YL. As he claims, they all conceded after multiple enquiries that he would not get a YL doll but a "similar" doll from another brand. I checked this with Eric from YL, and he confirmed that none of the three vendors in question are supplied by him. Wow!

The vendors in question are conspicuous because they offer excessively low prices; according to their websites, the dolls are listed with price tags including import fees and VAT that are lower than the wholesale prices in China (without import fees and VAT). Other indicators include: no brand name is mentioned/no brand logo is shown; given specs do not match the manufacturer's specs without explanation; TPE dolls are advertised as "realdolls" or "silicone dolls"; dolls with obvious origin in China are promoted to be "made in the EU".

The same advice as above applies: Ask questions and back-check the responses. Do not buy from sources with intransparent supply chain.

Please spread this warning to other forums and platforms. We need to reach out to other communities and especially try to elucidate those who are not part of helping communities yet.

I'm currently contemplating about starting a task force to uncover and deface these fradulent practices. I believe we need to start stating names and websites in public. TDF could be a platform for this.

To back up this warning with solid evidence: For your viewing pleasure I'm posting an excerpt from a certain source, claiming to manufacture all of these heads. You will recognize many of them from various origins, some listed on TDF, some not. Some of the photos were taken by Mandos, and I know 100% that he doesn't work for this "manufacturer".

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Thank you!
Sandro

Post by **DollsFrance** » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:15 pm

This well known copy factory has been trying to sell their "dolls" to us for months. They copy most famous heads and bodies and they justify themselves like this: "agents ask us for those dolls, can we say no to them ? If we don't do it, other factories will do it".

I know at least 1 french website that they supply and I have talked to them using their live support.
They used WM/YL/OR photos to sell the copies. The body specs are different.

For instance the 165cm from WM is advertised at 156cm. He claims that the 165cm WM body is not good looking, and with bad quality. That's why they made it better.
I asked why they don't use genuine pics, their own, instead of using WMdolls 165cm original pics. "Are you sure those are really from WM ?"
Can you send me a photo of this doll with the 156cm size then? We don't have such photos of the 156cm body.

I have screenshots of this chat, it's crazy and non-sense.

manobon · Post by **manobon** » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:24 pm

This may be slightly off topic, but can anyone point out what the official WM head numbers would be for
152 AA
140 A
46
from the pictures above?

Post by **DollsFrance** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:43 am

46 must be WM#31
other 2 don't seem to be from WM, maybe Maidendoll

Obin · Post by **Obin** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:53 am

They show some from Six Wild too.

Thank you for sharing this information.

Maybe TDF could form a sort of registry for such sellers and manufacturers. Still, there'd be folks who would still stray.

Another factor could be the use of shills.

Post by **Dollstudio** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:09 am

That "portfolio" is a crude amalgamate from different sources, it's not limited to Jinshan.

The worrying part here is not so much the fact that they offer to copy anything you throw at them. Yes, they do that in China.

What worries me most is that they are too lazy to make photos of their copies. That totally dissolves any handle between authentic and "re-imagined" and crosses the boundary between "just lacking creativity" and "criminal".

Sandro

haremlover · Post by **haremlover** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:28 am

Yes - if that's not one of a trio of companies in the Baoan District I'll be surprised. Wouldn't trust any of them.

Best wishes

Harem

Post by **Booty Call Dolls** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:48 am

Sandro,
I love your passion.
These places prey on the newbies and even the newbies that join TDF still have hard time believing what we tell them.
Harem,
Can you kindly add some of your damage links to this thread
V/r
Jeff and the BCD Girls
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"We turn dreams into reality"

haremlover · Post by **haremlover** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:27 pm

Well one of the companies formerly accused of making fakes has grown up into making dolls of their own and distinctive style and the fakers are faking those dolls too.

There are lots of reports of terrible quality dolls falling apart here on TDF and they're probably in the scams section.

http://www.dollalbum.com/dollgallery/th ... album=7469 is a collection of head photos sent to me by one of the companies who promised me they could make and supply any TPE doll out of silicone - but I haven't seen such a doll. Bottom line is that it's a copy and they're happy to admit it.

Here's the sort of damage on a brand new doll made of a TPE that's not up to quality.

The fakers don't care about that - they simply want your money. That doll wasn't fake, just a manufacturer new to the business.

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Tearing TPE is thoroughly foul stuff.

Best wishes

Harem

Post by **Booty Call Dolls** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:44 pm

Harem,
Thank you.
By any chance, do have the link showing the doll that split in two weeks from vagina to anal?
Best,
Jeff

Post by **Dollstudio** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:05 pm

Guys,

these counterfeit dolls are not neccesarily super bad. My point is that a customer without the possibility for a direct comparison with an authentic doll has no means to distinguish them. That is the problem, not that a singular doll with totally undocumented provenance fell apart one year ago.

How can we reach those who don't know yet that helpful online communities exist?

Sandro

symmes · Post by **symmes** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:24 pm

Dollstudio wrote:How can we reach those who don't know yet that helpful online communities exist?

As a newcomer to this community, whose first doll has yet to arrive (no complaints; it's been just a week since I ordered from a TDF-approved vendor), my first thought is to consult with an Internet search specialist to ensure that TDF appears as high as possible, and ideally on the first page, in Google searches for "sex doll," "love doll," and similar search terms. Right now it doesn't, at least not for me, although two approved vendors do appear in that way. IIRC, I found this forum through a link on one of the affiliated vendors' pages. Links back and forth between this forum and vendors can help, but of course if somebody finds a cheap knock-off vendor without such links and doesn't look further, that won't help promote this (or any other similar) community.

hansdampf21 · Post by **hansdampf21** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:41 pm

It's a mess what's going on at the doll market.
The only thing we can do is to make the TDF even more popular; in the hope that many doll vendors and also manufacturers will support this.
On the other hand, there is the net. If a newcomer is interested in some doll, he should be led to the TDF and not to some suspicious dealers everywhere around.
For example: if you google for 'TPE doll' or 'silicone doll' you'll find at first some doll manufacturers, then many doll vendors and then at page 2 alibaba etc.
So if you would find TDF when you search, you would directly land at the right place where you can find objective help on decision and other questions.

But that's only one example.
Another point would be that manufacturers would have to be taken into the boat.
It's no question that they would like to maximize their sales. It is their legitimate right.
So if Alibaba or any 'built overnight' doll reseller just pays for the 'products', they would sell them to them.
It seems to me. that there is not any regulatory instance at all and they (the producers) don't even care about product copies, stolen product photos, deceptive advertising and price dumping.

Just my 2 cents.

PS: when i was first searching for a doll, i landed at alibaba. The reason was that i wanted to pay as less as possible. Yes, that's the truth. At first you find out that there are dolls, and then you look about the price. And that's when the bulk resellers come into place. Well, i don't know how you could fight this evil

At least, i got my doll from on of the most popular german doll sellers. So their advertising is great.

haremlover · Post by **haremlover** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:58 pm

Get this forum listed on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_doll and in all the language variations.

I have been responsible for moving towards a cleaner image of sexdolls and which are not always used for sex, and therefore don't deserve the automatic opprobrium levelled at sexdolls. As the photograph of one of my ladies looking sexy but hopefully very respectable achieved notoriety http://www.dollforum.com/forum/viewtopi ... 43&t=54281 and was a photo suitable for reproduction in newspapers worldwide at the time, I moved to change the principal image to hers on that page and on many language pages including Farsi, so that in Muslim countries there might be spread a desire rather than derision for dolls. Clearly desired prejudice against dolls has caused the image change to be reversed https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%91%D7 ... 7%99%D7%9F although it remains on https://th.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B8%95 ... 2%E0%B8%87

For instance, it projects a much more positive image than that on https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bambola_sessuale

I have been working specifically to try to break down prejudices against dolls so that in any issue of morality and for instance the argument current with UK Border Force http://dollforum.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p1029858 dolls can take and retain the moral high ground.

On the Wiki pages I tried to introduce a reference link to TDF but was told that forums were unreliable sources and not allowed. If enough individuals make an edit to introduce TDF as the authoritative source of information as it is, then the hair splitters with not enough to do might get the message and stop blocking it.

Any other assistance to spread the sexy but respectable photograph

to other languages might be helpful worldwide also.

Best wishes

Harem

Gust · Post by **Gust** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:58 pm

I checked the Wikipedia page that Harem linked and one portion caught my attention:

"Reacting to the ongoing development of "sex robots" or "sexbots",[19] in September 2015, Kathleen Richardson of De Montfort University and Erik Billing of the University of Skövde created the Campaign Against Sex Robots, calling for a ban on the creation of anthropomorphic sex robots.[20][21][22][23] They argue that the introduction of such devices would be socially harmful, and demeaning to women and children.[21]"

I see this as stupidity and hysteria. One could make exactly same statement about calling for a ban on dildos and vibrators because "such devices are socially harmful, and demeaning to men and boys."