Finally - The Truth about JY Doll?

Post by **Dollstudio** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 7:01 pm

Hi,

when I made the Maiden Doll MA-165 Unboxing last year, I was quite impressed by the pretty manufacturer pictures they showed for 'their' dolls. Though, the actual product I got did not impress me equally; one of the reasons was that the heads did not have so much similarity with the manufacturer photos. What I learnt from this experience is that it is no unequivocal indication for a product's authenticity if a manufacturer runs an own factory or claims ownership about certain photos. Others might use the same photos, claim ownership as well, and even deliver the 'same' products, or at least similar ones.

One of the most confusing cross-links that showed up were between the brands Maiden Doll and Rifrano respectively a factory called Lifanou ("Guangzhou Lifanou International Trade Co., Ltd." aka "GuangZhou Maidendoll International Trade Co., Ltd."), and JY Doll. Both either use the same photos to depict their dolls, or even share sculpts and/or molds. However, both parties involved strictly denied to have any affiliation with the other. So possibly one copies from the other, or both copy from each other. One of the questions remaining was who was "the real deal" - both, one or none of both? I noted down to follow up on this at a later time. When I got an updated catalogue from Rifrano, showing an extensive listing of basically all existing TPE heads there are, I figured that now was the time to start talking with JY Doll and to get their side of the story.

My working hypothesis at this point is that at least certain heads and body styles that are marketed under the Maiden Doll respectively Rifrano brands actually originate from JY Doll. In the next weeks we'll see how far I'll get with that hypothesis. I'll try to start with a clean slate and try to forget everything I believe to know about JY. Please bear with me - not everything might actually be as it seems to be. Especially certain bad dolls supposed to have originated from JY might have had a different heritage. And there might be a couple of other surprises ahead, as well.

The next steps will be

first to have a look at the available clues and evidence,
then decide on a doll from the current JY's lineup to check and order her,
then perform an in-depth check and
finally draw some conclusions.

JY has already agreed to an Unboxing check, similar to the ones we performed in the past. The doll for the check will be obtained directly from JY Doll and not through an agent or middleman.

If that will be the final word about JY Doll still needs to be seen, but I will try my best to finally find out the truth about JY Doll.

As always feedback is welcome!

Sandro

Hand Banana · Post by **Hand Banana** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 7:23 pm

I have been unfortunate enough to aquire a "Riley" doll fromm amazon/alibaba in the past. I have compared it to a "legit" model from RLSD. To the eye they look exactly the same, but to the touch one is like barbie and one is like a sexy peach marshmallow.

So my question is this, is there a standardized industry measurement so that people can be on the same page whem discussing doll quality? For example on a scale of one to ten is WM=9 and the knockoffs something like 3?

What chemical are the knockoffs using that makes them so terrible amd tearable?

Bauta · Post by **Bauta** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 8:41 pm

In addition to having photos of other manufacturers, because there are repeated heads of the same as if they were another model?

*JY Doll Head - Model No. 2 > Is the same as the followings >>> Model No. 6/ Model No. 10/Model No. 12/Model No. 29/Model No. 32

*JY Doll Head - Model No. 4 > Is the same as the followings >>> Model No. 16/Model No. 20/Model No. 28

*JY Doll Head - Model No. 1 > Is the same as the followings >>> Model No. 5/Model No. 30

*JY Doll Head - Model No. 11 > Is the same as the following >>> JY Doll Head - Model No. 14

*JY Doll Head - Model No. 15 > Is the same as the following >>> JY Doll Head - Model No. 25

Post by **Dollstudio** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 9:37 pm

Interesting point. Let's have a look at the heads #1-#80 (those are supposed to be compatible with life-sized body styles):

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Yeah, there seem to be quite some duplicates, I think you spotted most candidates. I'll ask for a comment.

Also, there is a 'correspondence' with many of the Maiden Doll heads; e.g. Maiden Doll's "Isabel" head and YL #72, and Maiden Doll's #29 head and YL #73. About this recurring use of the same pictures, the explanation is:

Some of bad agents used our pictures and got very cheap goods in other factories send to customer.

This is a possibility, which leaves the question who actually commissioned the photos - JY, Maiden Doll or yet another company? The response:

In china . the name “ Rifrano”and : Lifanou “It is very bad name in china and get very bad quality doll .. You can ask any people they worked in doll business . .Special they ‘d like copy WM doll and JY DOLL . And Used the picture from factory . What you say the head . #72 #73, #54, #58. The original is from our factory . We had original pictures . But they always get any website with those picture .

Let's cross-check that claim as good as possible. In a number of cases the photos show a well-known style (#1-#4, #27-#31). I checked with the photographer, he's on TDF. He confirmed that JY did commission the photos.

So in regard to the authenticity at least for these photos, JY is immaculate. It's their photos.

Sandro

Boobman · Post by **Boobman** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:28 pm

My doll i bought is at the shipping agents place as of today which is Monday afternoon now or so in China. i bought the doll from Claus at Guangzhou Lifanou International Trade Co., Ltd. I paid via Paypal, 997.00 as i have already discussed with Sandro in our forums here not PM's. Am i worried yes, i sure am. For at least 2 mos. prior to purchase i vetted my seller/doll selection i also chatted on the forum after with Harem too about the truth finding is worse than pulling your teeth out with pliers & no Novocaine. Who you are buying from i was told they are the doll maker the factory for the doll. OK is it a OEM or is it a copy of some sort, as i discussed here i found the doll my doll i bought with quite a few names, 2 new dolls the Tiffany & Kitty Sandro posted pics & such on yesterday i found different pics with new names attached to them i posted & noted as such in that thread. I tried to be thorough before i paid anyone any money sniffed out a couple of rats doing that and told them to fuck off but you know this about rats the mothers birth many more rats.

Obin · Post by **Obin** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:38 pm

Thanks for the info, Sandro.

Bauta · Post by **Bauta** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:11 am

It seems that JY has dolls of his own harvest, But other photos is not so clear, in addition to their dubious quality, however, the heads that seem to be JY originals are exquisite, with an excellent quality as you can see in the video. Lack to clarify if they are truly original from JY, and there are many repeated

naughtydoll99 · Post by **naughtydoll99** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:13 am

JY doll quality was good. but the lifanou was a cheap copy factory. that's what I heard from China other sellers.

Anung Un Rama · Post by **Anung Un Rama** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:26 am

My First JY arrives within the next few days....

I will do a detailed review on her...but still do not have a clue where to list the review as yet.

An intetresting point of of further note her Sandro, great worl by the way....is this affiliation with Airesha (Shenzhen Aiersha Technology Co., Ltd.) as well whos model line have AS Doll branding...interstingly enough I stumbled ascoss a link somhere in the Mix of the Alibaba details page that had both AS Dolls website and JY Website links listed on the same page, but have lost it

but...hmmm...now the interesting part....the Aiesha Factory...

...see this page

https://asdoll.en.alibaba.com/company_p ... acity.html

Check that address...

Factory Location: zhixin industrial Park. zhaolin Village.Dongguan .China

and then from the JY site - http://www.jydollcn.com/Contacts

地址：广东省东莞市谢岗镇赵林村智鑫工业园C栋2楼

Address: Building 1, Building C, Zhixin Industrial Park, Zhaoling Town, Xiegang Town, Dongguan City, Guangdong Province, China

So I just got to say if AS Dolls (Aiersha's line) is an alternate marketting arm or model of doll description to the JY dolls and the websites where listed on the contacts page mentioned above and the addresses seem to be the same...Then A JY doll, is an AS Doll and is made by Aiesha and Aiesha evidently have a lot of other doll manuacturer names going on in that same facoty...hence the potential branding difference being who markets what.

Even my new JY is listed as an AS doll model!

I may have finally joined the dots here and found my mysetrious factory

Anung

Post by **Dollstudio** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:30 am

Regarding the heads and their identification I noticed something strange besides listing some multiple times. On the JY website, some pages state a "manufacturer identification number" (which is good, theoretical), but the numbers do not match the catalogue I got from JY. So there are different numbers in use - the official numbers on the website, and the 'other' numbers in the catalogue. The website only lists a handful of available heads and the catalogue lists much more - but as Bauta mentioned - some of them seem to be listed twice. On top of that, the website mentions names for some of the heads. These names do not show up in the catalog.

Honestly, I don't like that. Having two numbering schemes in parallel is a guaranteed source for confusion when placing an order because those numbers become ambiguous. Also, Maiden Doll and Rifrano are doing the same, and that I wouldn't consider an advisable role model.

Regarding the duplicate heads listed in the catalogue, JY explained:

The website is our official number, because my product catalog has a lot of the same head, but Dress-up and make-up is not the same, In order to facilitate my customers in my catalog to choose the preferences of the style, so I use the new number one […]

So Bauta's observation is now officially confirmed. The catalog (from which I posted excerpts earlier) lists some heads multiple times with a different number. As of now there is no index to cross-reference the "manufacturer identification number" with the catalog numbers, and the catalog numbers with the names. Not good.

Sandro

CrazyCajun · Post by **CrazyCajun** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:46 am

Seems to me that the doll manufacturers, have and has always had the ability to thwart all of this confusion. If they would simply engrave/emboss or otherwise apply a serial number and a makers mark. I honestly believe that they have not and probably will not do so because then, when a problem does arise that they do not wish to deal with they can simply call into question the authenticity of the product.

I believe this has been discussed before and I will try to find the posts, because I believe that the question as to serializing and adding a makers mark was put openly to all manufacturers in that thread. But I do not believe any responded!

Buy not doing anything at all, they enable all of the problems that they complain about concerning unofficial copies of their product!

Post by **Dollstudio** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 5:01 am

Anung Un Rama wrote:I may have finally joined the dots here and found my mysetrious factory

I wanted to take a look at the corporate bodies at a later time, but before more confusion spreads here is what I found out so far.

There is a brand - JY Doll. That brand has a logo that shows up in at least three flavours:

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This brand and the related logo(s) is what JY wants to communicate in public - trade shows and advertisement.

Then it gets more complicated. There is some "Aiersha" entity(s), and some factory(s).

The factory is called "Dongguan Junying Plastic Product Factory", and there is another company, called "Dongguan Aiersha Silicone Product Company", which is tied to the asdolls.com brand and website domain name. The latter seems to be a new project which is not ready yet for showtime.

…and then things start to duplicate again. Like Jinshan, there seem to be two physical factories, or at least factory names (an old and a new one):

Old factory/old factory name: "[Dongguan] Jun Ying Plastic Product Factory" (Jun Ying = JY)
New factory/new factory name: "Dongguan Aiersha Silicone product Co., Ltd."

I did a little research on that "Aiersha" entity and found two corporate bodies:

Number one is "Shenzhen Aiersha Technology Co., Ltd." aka "Shenzhen A-Ruentex Trade Co., Ltd." aka "ROMSEX":

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For that entity I spotted so far three addresses:

1) Rm 707, Beauty Aaa Building, North of Renming Rd, Longhua New District, Shenzhen, Guangdong, China
2) Rm. 707, AAA Bldg., Meili, Renmin North Road, Longhua Street, Longhua New Dist., Shenzhen, Guangdong, China (Mainland)
3) Hongcao 46 1, Hao Software Mansion 3F E, Shanghai

Number two is "Dongguan Aiersha Silicone Co., Ltd.":

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Side note: Both corporate bodies use a different logo. Though my contact at JY states:

Dongguan Aiersha and Shenzhen Aiersha is the same.

The Shenzhen location is "only for Overseas", meaning the overseas team has moved there.

The contact address listed on JY's website is:

Dongguan Jun Ying Plastic Product Factory
From Dongguan, Guangdong, China
地址：广东省东莞市谢岗镇赵林村智鑫工业园C栋2楼
(Address: Building 1, Building C, Zhixin Industrial Park, Zhaoling Town, Xiegang Town, Dongguan City, Guangdong Province, China)

Sandro

Anung Un Rama · Post by **Anung Un Rama** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 5:38 am

Thanks for the intel Sandro....

And people though I was nutz suggesting that these where the same corperate body and entity....well...I may be a bit nutz...but nailed that one....

...and its a good thing Aiersha make a bloody good doll...if my Pene 163 cm (JJ) is anything to go by.

anyhow...more when Miss muscles arrives.

Anung

Post by **Dollstudio** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 5:59 am

Anung Un Rama wrote:My First JY arrives within the next few days....
I will do a detailed review on her...but still do not have a clue where to list the review as yet. […]
anyhow...more when Miss muscles arrives.

As we are used to say over here… refugees welcome

Feel free to post your review here, if it doesn't fit anywhere else.

The JY-166 would have been the most likely candidate for my Unboxing review, as my website users have chosen by voting with their feet (respectively their left mouse button). And she is sexy as hell…

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This is from yesterday's Dollstudio website access stats… Most popular doll from JY was the JY-166 (rank 1), followed by the JY-168 (rank 2) and the JY-158 (rank 3). The first day I listed them, they managed to fill all top 10 "most popular" doll slots… I'm really curious how this turns out…

Sandro