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 Post subject: Re: Lorena, body AI S+ Fay face
PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:33 am 
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Chris, I will talk to a Matrix Admin (see my signature line) :haha4:

Thank you sofos.
I was planning a picture like that for the contest you are hosting, but this rule:
If multiple dolls are part of the image they must all have something new. It cannot be the same item.
makes it impossible for Leora and Leonie to just introduce their new (girl)friend :(


Please do. :haha4: I just wanted to make sure that you don´t forget to do it. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Lorena, body AI S+ Fay face
PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:44 pm 
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A very happy welcome to Lorena, and congratulations to you GirlsGang.
I am sure she will fit perfectly in your doll family.

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 Post subject: Re: Lorena, body AI S+ Fay face
PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:34 pm 
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Sofos, thank you for that interpretaion, I will think about that.

Poppy, long time no write, thank you for chiming in. Hope everything is well at Poppy's :)



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 Post subject: Re: Lorena, body AI S+ Fay face
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Wow GG! Lorena is gorgeous!

My fav 4woods body ... Magnificent :razz:
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 Post subject: Re: Lorena, body AI S+ Fay face
PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 6:37 am 
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I like to summarize my experience with Lorena so far:

Skin, face, appearance, feel to the touch are close to perfect, the softness is in locations where it should be.
The breasts feel and softness is outstanding, its like the real thing (as far as I remember after being single for more than 10 years).

But I am really disappointed with:

- the right leg does not hold any position in the backward/forward direction (no matter if the knee is bent or not), it follows gravity
- The left leg holds some positions in the backward/forward position (without any additional weight like shoes)
- The forearms do not hold some positions if the elbows are at 90°
- the doll weight is not as specified in the internet:
 26kg advertised, 31kg delivered (both without head)

The leg issues are caused by very loose hip joints in the forward / backward direction. The manufacturer stated that this cannot be corrected after the body is cast, because it would mean to cut open the complete leg in that area. Further statement was, that the loose joints are not a defect and are made to their factory standard, so for them there is no reason to do anything about it.

As there is no information on the 4woods.eu site about how they adjust their joints and no questions about joints in the order form at the time I ordered, I was really disappointed that I have been left alone with loose joints. The weight wasn't even discussed.

My conclusion: The doll is not what I expected spending 5 k€.
Buy again: rather not, anyway it will take serious time to gather another 5 k€ with my retirement starting next year.



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 Post subject: Re: Lorena, body AI S+ Fay face
PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:01 am 
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OOPs, that's a case for Dr. Siliconestein. He loves doing surgeries on lovely dolls.

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 Post subject: Re: Lorena, body AI S+ Fay face
PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:08 am 
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GirlsGang wrote:
But I am really disappointed with:

- the right leg does not hold any position in the backward/forward direction (no matter if the knee is bent or not), it follows gravity
- The left leg holds some positions in the backward/forward position (without any additional weight like shoes)
- The forearms do not hold some positions if the elbows are at 90°

That's the pretty much the same with all my 4Woods dolls, but I got all of them used, so it's hard to compare. Erika is extremely floppy by now, she can't hold any position. Kim is better, but some of her joints are still very stiff. Alexa (S+, like your Lorena) has two very stiff joints (right hip and left knee), which need some force to adjust. And indeed she can't hold her arms in all positions, but in general is posable very well.
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- the doll weight is not as specified in the internet:
 26kg advertised, 31kg delivered (both without head)

I never weighted Alexa before, but I just did. She is 32 kg with head, wig and clothes (sweater, legging and socks). When she arrived, I was just happy that she is a lot lighter than Kim and Erika.

That the joints aren't all equally thightend and underestimating of the weight seems to be a common problem at 4Woods.. Kim and Erika (Neo) are also 5 kg heavier than advertised.
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My conclusion: The doll is not what I expected spending 5 k€.
Buy again: rather not, anyway it will take serious time to gather another 5 k€ with my retirement starting next year.

I understand. That's why I bought all my dollls used. Now I got 3 4Woods dollies and one Yourdoll for less than half the price. Although I never planned to get this many. :oops:

Advance congrats on our retirement.



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A good starting point for that is the common thread for my dolls in Eye Candy.
Erika used to share her body with Annika.
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 Post subject: Re: Lorena, body AI S+ Fay face
PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:39 am 
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OOPs, that's a case for Dr. Siliconestein. He loves doing surgeries on lovely dolls.

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Hi SF,

thanks for the offer, but this is not what I expect to have to do with a brandnew doll :evil:

Thank you for commenting EBF. I am used to have dolls where the joints loosen over time, Leora had surgery for her left legs hip and knee, it was 2 days in hospital (my dining table) and not a problem. So I am not shy on cutting silicone. The problem is that the hips on 4woods dolls are not correctable according to the lady in Lyon. She said you literally have to cut off the leg.
I have talked to 3 other 4woods owners, Swans S+ can stand with a third point of support, Mondoons JR starts getting less stiff after 3 years, Freds S+ starts getting loose after 5 years.

I can imagine that loose joints from the beginning prevent customers to complain after 3 years about joints loosening over time (caution: sarcasm)



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 Post subject: Re: Lorena, body AI S+ Fay face
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I have similar issues with Leeloo :? (A.I.Doll S+ Fay too :P ).
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But... she is so much beautiful and adorable that I forgot this. :lilangel:



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 Post subject: Re: Lorena, body AI S+ Fay face
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What a Beauty she is indeed!

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 Post subject: Re: Lorena, body AI S+ Fay face
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Hi nibuKo,

thanks for chiming in. Glad you found your way to overcome the issues :wink:

I think if all people start complainig about insufficiencies of their dolls, the manufacturers may start thinking about doing some improvements to their dolls. There are already some manufacturers asking for advice in TDF. But that does not work without honest reporting about experiences, bad or good.
Bad enough that I learned after receiving my doll that I could have ordered stiff joints. This is nowhere written and nowhere asked.



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Hi GirlsGang,

sad to hear having issues on a brand new doll. My Emma is almost 8 years by now, so I cannot comment on the softness and the advertised weight. But she feels just right and a lot lighter than my previous TPE of almost the same size.

I've already repaired her left wrist and had to open up the silicone. The construction seems quite reliable and sturdy, yet the nut and bolt have not securing washer. Maybe I should have used some thread locking glue to prevent the nut from getting loose again but now it is too late.

Her right shoulder is quite floppy but that also gives a realistic feeling when she puts her arm on me :) Standing never was possible the legs are slightly bent and too loose to support the weight. Although she is a little harder she is a perfect cuddle buddy.

As a photo model she needs a lot of attention to get her into poses she can hold and that feel natural. Sitting unaided is almost not possible :(

Enjoy your girl as much as you can and try to live with the shortcomings although I must say I too would have been disappointed at that price.

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 Post subject: Re: Lorena, body AI S+ Fay face
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Yea that's a bummer.

One of the things that surprised me when I got my doll was the total lack of information about different options etc. I figured it was completely different with the "high end" manufactures. But I guess not. :?

I must say that one thing that manufactures really should focus on is maintainability of the skeleton. Place screws etc in a location where they can "easily" be accessible etc. I wouldn't want to cut a new doll open, nor expect to have to. But after a year or so it would be good to know that the skeleton can be adjusted if needed.


Since you seem to have reached the end of the road I can only wish that you are able to overcome her shortcomings and care for her anyway!



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 Post subject: Re: Lorena, body AI S+ Fay face
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Well you know my feelings on this GG and I can understand your disappointment. I know how I felt when after one month Hanna had a complete knee failure.
At least that was reparable and they did a beautiful job but even so it should not have occurred.
I have not had any problems with Hanna's joints since then and she is only now, after almost 3 years, beginning to loosen slightly, only slightly. She was manufactured in Japan.
I think I feel for Hanna the way nibuKo does for Leeloo, she is just so beautiful and adorable and I can live with any flaws she may develop, or repair.
I hope that you can come to appreciate the positive aspects of Lorena and learn to live with her little foibles. She is also very beautiful and would grace the lounge of any home.
Ultimately I think this is a manufacturing quality control problem and that area of their business needs some attention.



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Thank you all for the support and heads-up, I really appreciate that :thumbs_up: :thumbs_up: :thumbs_up:



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