So I finally got a tube of Epoxy Silicone from Smooth On and decided to do a labia swap on Ally. Hoo boy, I wish I'd waited longer. It's supposed to be very easy to do, but it turned into a grueling ordeal for me lasting multiple days, and I may have ruined my beautiful doll. I tried to take images of every step to help others needing to do the same before I started. Ally is a Peach model made in early 09. She has a fixed vagina, so work consists of first cutting off the old labia, then gluing on the new ones, which were made by Patrick over at PIB. Lucky thing for me, Patrick was nice enough to send me two.

In any case, the first step was VERY easy. Deceptively so. Removing the manufacturer labia. These were made of a very hard, very restrictive silicone that was falling apart under normal use. They were split and coming off. Since the original labia were only hanging by a liteal thread of silicone near the clitoris removing them with an X-acto knife was the easiest part of this whole operation. I thought I would be done in 30 minutes...

The damaged removed labia:


The damaged removed labia viewed from the back, it has a 'B' written on it...


The next step was fairly easy too, and consisted of cleaning, and removing some excess silicone that was supposed to keep the original lips on. The X-Acto/Hobby knife was easy to use and made room quick and painlessly.

Ally with labia removed and the opening cleared of excess silicone:


And this is where things headed south for me real fast. The PIB labias were too big, so needed the backs trimmed. I ended up trimming the first one too much to the point where the bottom area was just a small thread of silicone. It would have ripped easily in use so I had to discard it. Ouch. Like I said, good thing Patrick sold me two for the price of one. ^_^ I trimmed the second set far more conservatively, then moved on to TRYING to glue them on. Key word there being trying.

Epoxy Silicone is like toothpaste that wreaks of a million bottles of vinegar. I expected something like Elmers glue. Damn was I wrong. It was literally impossible to coat the labia or the opening in this toothpaste like substance, then hold the labia in place. The cure is just a few minutes, but it wouldn't work even if it was a few seconds. Fearing I was ruining my doll I used some paper towel like sand paper and removed as much of the Epoxy as I could from the doll and the labia. I got most of it, and decided to call it a day, but it was a real heart breaker to go to bed with Ally knowing she wasn't 'complete', I felt like crap for letting her down...

Next day I start anew, same problem from the start. You just can't hold the labia in place. I tried this three times, and had to use paper towel after each attempt to 'sand paper' off the epoxy from Ally and the labia. I tried taping them on, but that didn't work either. Seeing no other alternative I switched to using sewing pins to pin them in place. That worked, sort of. The labia were in place, just not very well, and I ended up using way too much Epoxy...

Ally with the new Labia pinned in place:


Another view, note the excess Epoxy everywhere:


I gave it time to cure a bit, then started peeling away as much of the excess expoxy from the places it didn't belong as possible. I ended up losing a lot of Ally's nice bush to stray epoxy I let this set up cure for around six hours then went back in to work again, on trying to get the lips positioned a bit better, and to further reinforce the installation.
Step 1 was to remove the pins and hope the labia don't just fall off again... That worked out ok. In fact the pins had to be pulled out with plyers, they had become fixed into position so well. The problem now is the Epoxy seems to swell even further as it cures. The excess epoxy completely sealed the vaginal opening. I had to use the X-Acto knife to re-open the entryway, and trim what excess I could.

Here's the situation now, lots of excess Epoxy:


The labia still stick out at the sides also, up near the clitoris. I should glue them down and pin them into place, but between the smell of the epoxy, and the knowledge that I may have ruined my doll I feel like puking everytime I see the tube of glue. Is there anything I can do about the excess epoxy? It's very unsightly, and may also detract from being able to use her. I can't use paper towel anymore to pry it off now that it's cured, so maybe actual sand paper? I could trim with the X-Acto knife, but then I'd slice up the labia all over again... Argh. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated, I'm really down in the dumps here, and won't proceed until I can do something about the excess epoxy problem...

Interesting operation. I didn't even know there were love dolls that actually had a clitoris

Wow, that's quite the situation you got there
I know just that feeling of panic when you think you've done something
permanently wrong to your girl and can't figure out how to fix it
Cleaning off the excess sil-poxy is going to be messy, little bits and pieces at a time.
Don't hate me for asking this, but can you cut off the PIB labia and start over?
If you can get it back to a clean slate, you were on the right track before, just need to
adjust your technique. I recently replaced all my girls older, harder labias with new, softer ones from PIB.
I wanted them to also be recessed a little farther.
Just like you, I used sewing pins to hold it in place. But I first glued just the top tip in place,
which only needed a few pins to hold in place. After that had dried (several hours) I did the same with the bottom tip.
With the top & bottom glued and dry, I worked my way down each side, using just a few pins to hold each glued portion.
Use the sil-poxy sparingly, put it on the body, so it won't move around, and stick the labia into it. Once you've set the labia
at the depth you want it on the outside, you can trim it from the inside if it's too deep.
Like you it drove me crazy trying to hold the first one in place while gluing. Gluing it in sections made the difference.
Hope this helps

That was a really good tutorial Charliewone. Aire, if you'd like us to send another to you just let me know. You might as well get this right. Midi, we have made very life-like labias with clits for some time. Our best seller actually.
And now... Back to your regular stations...
P

not to make light of what is obviously a troubling situation but if you just think of that extra wet looking epoxy as milky love juices that they look like it seems less of a disaster and more of a special effect. ??!! hell add more,
all in the eye of the artist .lol

however, if Patric is offering a new one a clean start is a good idea.
BG

Thanks for the suggestions guys. Seems a do over is in order. I'll have to be very careful removing the ones on there now, since they're actually a very good fit, and are pretty well secured. I'm more comfortable with cutting than I am with pasting it seems, lol. I guess I'll just go back and update the original post as things progress.

by the way , i have used silpoxy and it requires very little epoxy to create the better bond. a complete but thin layer on each side. not goops of it. it is a molecular bond so thickness means little it is the cleanliness of the parts being glued as well. some ,like myself, recomend the cleaning of the surfaces with acetone. to remove any oils ,human ,doll or ,lubricant from those surfaces. once dry, glue and pin in place.

a q tip or 20 to wipe off any oozing silpoxy.

i see some spots where it got on her ass too, so be careful to wipe your hands with a clean cloth every single time before touching your doll while doing all of this. the glue is hard to see until it is too late.

good luck,BG

That's good news, actually. It was kind of deceptive when trying to hold them in position instead of using the pins. I tried that 4 times, each time using more and more epoxy. When I switched to using the pins instead of trying to do it by hand (or with tape) they were held, and that's when things messed up since I didn't immediately remove the epoxy like I had done the earlier times. Thanks again for the help and suggestions, you guys are gold!

Dang. I'm sorry to hear about your troubles. I didn't think it'd be that hard as I replaced a RD labia (but with another RD labia). The pubic area still looks good. Dave had replaced his 4Woods with a PIB as well. I didn't look if he posted a tutorial.

Anyways, I'm sad about this. I hope you get the replacement in and are able to fully enjoy your doll.

Whoa. No, don't feel bad. Actually, can a mod edit the title of this thread to just 'Documenting Labia replacement'. I certainly overreacted a bit to things, looking back on this. Ally and I have had a lot of great times together (if you know what I mean ) since it happened. It's nothing major. Everything was going fine, I just used too much glue when I used the pins, because without the pins it seemed like I wasn't using enough. I haven't had the time to do it yet, but Patrick did send me another labia and I'm confident this time it will go on without a hitch, and I'll update the original post then. I just haven't had the time. I was going to post some pics I took of her for Valentines day with her teddy and chocalate but I forgot my password and ended up locking myself out of the doll album while trying to remember.

Mission accomplished.

'Time sure flies!!!'.... 'Val's labia has held super and no probs since I replaced w/ 'Big Clit' from PIB'. I did not do a tutorial and I apologize for it.... (Excellent Product Indeed!)
The process was not difficult ,but it did require alot of patience, desire, love and common sense.

(w/ a little help from Pat from PIB) http://www.privateislandbeauties.com/bathing/tenders.do

I trimmed of the orginal labia, trimmed down the new labia to desired fit, started gluing into place from the top- down (only amount needed to do job) by sections in different time periods to allow bonding, towards the middle... I had a blush brush holding it together as it cured (my hands were holding prior and yes for a few hours, lol) ).......
(talk about bonding)
NOTE: Used 'LOCTITE Clear Silicone Adhesive Sealant' & still do for any needed repair (other areas)
(I have read that this product is faster and highly recomended , but have not tried)
here's the link for product:
http://www.homedepot.com/buy/paint-caul ... 69018.html

Pat was of great help indeed and I cannot 'Thank' enough for his support.
Here is the link to my post in 4woods section:
viewtopic.php?f=41&t=31169

Thanks!
And here are those pics I mentioned earlier...
Valentines Day with her Teddy Bear:


And of course it wouldn't be Valentines Day without a heart shaped box of chocalates:

She's very pretty and looks great
in that ruffled dress. Good luck with the
labia replacement, she deserves the best

UHi thanks for the info, could this get added to the repair thread? So it doesn't get burried. There is a lot of useful info here. This will be my next project