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Thank you, for the update.
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Get pre-mixed tpe by melting down worn-out tpe toys, DD.

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He used fleshlight material and has concluded that additives may make the substance difficult to work with. Do you know of a TPE brand or toy that melts easily without degrading?

I'm curious. Could vacuum distillation remove the mineral oil?
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Sometimes hydrocal can be hard to find or extremely expensive to ship because of weight.
In the past I would get mine from a company about an hour away and had to wait 2 weeks for the order to come in then pick it up until I found a company on eBay that sells it as model rail road plaster.
Here is the link.....
http://m.ebay.com/itm/400786390352?nav=SEARCH

It was a few dollars more than the other place but shipping was included. When you consider fuel and time, the price isn't all that much more. My experience with this company to date has been positive.
It comes in a 20lb box for $24 and a 38lb box for $40 on eBay.
They also carry a variety of other plasters for different uses. Many are used in dentistry. It also shipped fast.
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Those are good prices. Thanks, for the tip.

How is the substance used?

Is this the same?

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Don't wash this stuff off your hands in the sink unless you want to kiss your plumbing goodbye, he states. LOL

Simple to mix. http://www.ehow.com/how_8508019_mix-hydrocal.html
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I'm wondering if the hot pour PVC stuff they use for jiggly fishing lures would work for this application.
Burman Industries sells this in clear or white. Can be tinted with cosmetic powder or plastic colorants. Can be remelted/reused a few times.
http://www.burmanfoam.com/casting/vinyl ... rials.html
They used to sell this in pellet form but now its a liquid. When heated it turns to a gel state then back to a liquid for pouring into a mold.

Here's some info on the hot melt vinyl plastisol material...
http://www.polyone.com/en-us/docs/Docum ... 0SC003.pdf

According to this the soft fishing lure material is about 8 shore A softness. Not sure if that would be soft enough - probably need to use a larger entry hole in the toy with this.
Another manufacturer that sells fishing lure materials and colorants: http://www.pouryourownworms.com/main.sc

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This plastisol fishing lure stuff is starting to look pretty interesting.
Wouldn't mind trying some of this for a custom sleeve for my Eva.
Looks like it's fairly safe and easy to work with. Lots of how to videos online also.
This guy has a lot of good ones on heating the plastic and making plaster molds...

Heating plastic - he just uses a microwave:
1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=276BI1cUuTE
2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhD2sgIbMM4
3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWZG4Yhxl4s

Making a plaster mold. This is for making worms but some info may be relevant.
He recommends sealing the plaster molds with this floor wax: http://www.amazon.com/Lundmark-Wax-Supe ... B000BYE9TI
1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqPMlW4P1xc
2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P3gJ-me-fk
3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh0CRBnlkwo
4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw4B-XovE9o
5https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qki88OT-Gis
6https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoaUj3q1Frs

I think the guy in the video uses Lurecraft products
http://www.lurecraft.com/SOFT-PLASTIC-B ... rtments/1/

I contacted the M-F company about the softness and they said the product can be made as soft as you want using the softener (to a slime even).
If anything, this might be useful info if you're into fishing anyway.

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MannequinFan wrote:If anything, this might be useful info if you're into fishing anyway.

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Thanks, for this. It'd be very interesting to find this stuff works well...and bazaar, because of the source. However, I've seen reference to fishing worm material before. I have never looked up info on it.
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Lol, your welcome Obin.
From what I've gathered it can be made softer so I don't know why it shouldn't work. The stuff is also phallate free according to the mfr.
They sell something called "worm oil" which I think is basically mineral oil to keep the bait from drying out over time.
The question would be how durable it would be and how long it would last. Of course if it wears out you could just melt it down and make another one!

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Now, I wonder whether this material could be used to make repairs.

Anyone in the mood for R&D?
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I bought a bag of fluke worm lures from Walmart back when I was going to try and make a doll tongue. I trimmed up a couple of them to my liking and set them aside. They dried out within days. Could have been within hours? I just put the remainder of the bag in my fishing gear. They were of the main brand Walmart stocks.

I have many older rubber lures that are still rubbery after 20 yrs of sitting in a tackle box in a garage. Different brand or formula back then.

OK, just did a search. Seems like old school lures are some type of rubber where some new stuff is bio degradable and dries out rather quickly. http://www.fishsniffer.com/forums/showt ... hp?t=94951

Pic is probably what I bought. They must be kept in the oil filled bag or else.
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Thanks RK. I'll have to message the guy at M-F about that issue and see what they say.
I would imagine that a very small thin piece like the fluke would dry out much faster than a larger thicker item like a sleeve.

I guess that means you'd have to keep that puppy well lubricated with some of this...

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Wink wink, nudge nudge, if ya know what I mean. :D

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That's my favorite lube to use with my fleshlight. Looks just like a woman's cream when you're using it.
I has just a little mineral oil in it which keeps it from drying out so fast.
Probably not the best thing for the fleshlight material but I haven't noticed any serious consequences yet.
Dollar Tree has these 10oz tubes for a dollar.

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MannequinFan wrote:Thanks RK. I'll have to message the guy at M-F about that issue and see what they say.
I would imagine that a very small thin piece like the fluke would dry out much faster than a larger thicker item like a sleeve.

I guess that means you'd have to keep that puppy well lubricated with some of this...

Image

Wink wink, nudge nudge, if ya know what I mean. :D

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That's my favorite lube to use with my fleshlight. Looks just like a woman's cream when you're using it.
I has just a little mineral oil in it which keeps it from drying out so fast.
Probably not the best thing for the fleshlight material but I haven't noticed any serious consequences yet.
Dollar Tree has these 10oz tubes for a dollar.
Although this is not pertinent to the topic of this thread, I'll say this. What I spend on astroglide could probably buy several fleshlights. That's a good reason to switch to a cheap lube that may shorten the life of a toy only slightly.

It'll be interesting if the MF has long life formulas.
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The concerns I would have about the lure material, as previously mentioned by others, are whether it would be durable enough to withstand realistic usage, how long it would last (drying out,liquifying,losing toughness over time) and whether there are any undesirable additives. The plasticizing oils used for non-foodsafe materials often contain things such as phthalates, so it's good to see that it doesn't have that problem.

I'm probably going to stick to TPE, as I'm able to make it myself at relatively low cost, ignoring my time of course. (The mineral oil is the most expensive part at around $25/gallon) I'm going to give melting the FL ice material another go either tonight or this weekend to see if I can get a better handle on it.

The FL stuff is amazingly durable. Practically nothing can tear it, but it's still wonderfully soft and stretchy. Those are the properties I'm going for with my material.

Regarding lubes, I have also only ever used water based. It's good to know that it won't immediately fall apart or anything when using other kinds. I have noticed though that certain kinds of soap eat into the FL material if left in there for a while though... I have a few sleeves with pretty severe internal pitting from that. One of those damaged ones is what I'm pulling pieces off of for the test melting. ;)

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From what I'm reading, M-F is supposed to be the highest quality stuff available in the bait-making world.
I just emailed them with questions about the drying up and shrinkage. Shrinkage could be another issue.
I'm pretty sure this material wouldn't be very break/tear resistant so you'd probably need to use a larger orifice to reduce wear and tear.

On using the Dermasil, I always thoroughly clean the sleeve immediately after use.
I'm pretty sure it would start to degrade the material if left on for an extended time.

EDIT:
I just noticed on RK's pic he posted the package says "salty".
They add salt to the plastic mix for some lures to adjust the float or sink rate of the bait (lol I'm learning a little more than I wanted to about fish bait) which also can adversely affect the durability of the plastic.

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