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Priadol, a japanees ScoonimDoll

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Priadol, a japanees ScoonimDoll

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One needs to know where the competition is. Till now I seriously believed I was the only one on this planet making ScoonimDolls, but while doing research about BJD's I suddenly found my competitor. Now it is getting interesting. What is their target, their quality, their price. :D

Their website is in Japanees only, but that should not stop you.

http://rml.sakura.ne.jp/NewFiles/TOP.html

For those amongst you whose Jananees has become a little rusty, you can also find english written info on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/PRIADOL-Human-Skin- ... dZViewItem

Now you need to compare it to my ScoonimDolls. This is my website:

http://www.scoonims.com

You can also find some pictures of ScoonimDolls in my album.

I'll add one here:
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Tell me what you think... :D :? 8) :cry: :wink:

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Oh, your doll in that picture. What a very, very nice butt does she have. Sigh! :P It’s so... realistic. Just gorgeous! :razz: But is that Japanese manufacturer really your competitor? :? Their dolls are more Anime dolls, they’re less realistic than your ScoonimDolls. That's another kind of doll. People who want to buy a realistic looking doll won't buy those Japanese dolls. :wink:

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Indeed those Priadols have anime styled heads. This makes me think that their target has been to build a seamless BJD and not so much an android as ScoonimDolls actually are.

But I wonder if this should attract different people. In the whole it is a very slight difference. I would not be surprized if a customer had a hard time deciding. :roll:

Anyway, it may sound odd, but I am actually quite happy to know that there is another manufacturer of dolls like ScoonimDolls, for it is likely to improve my sales. :)

By the way, thanks for your appreciation of the butt. Can you imagine me sculpturing it. Almost two days working on a butt of the size of a matchbox! :?

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You should also check out the Arte Tokio elf dolls, they are my favorite of the miniature silicones. http://www.artetokio.com/english/gallery3.html . Very high quality construction and their ball & socket skeleton would be perfect for stop-motion animating. They are a little bit larger, around a foot and a half tall (520 mm), but cost about a third as much as scoonim (about 560 Euros). They also have a "seamless body" version with a wire skeleton for about 300 euros http://www.artetokio.com/english/order02.html

Anyway there's definitely a market, especially in Japan. There are at least 2 other manufacturers of this type of doll besides Priadoll and first androids Microdoll ( http://www.microdoll.org/girl3.htm ), but I can't remember their names right off. Check out this thread, its mostly about BJD's but there is some info on realistic mini dolls too. http://www.dollforum.com/modules.php?na ... torder=asc

BTW I think your product looks great! :D Good luck!

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There is a lot of manufactures made 30cm and 60cm seamless-silicone-doll or realistic rubber doll in Japan. the market is nearly to BJD, SD13, SD16 (VOLKS also made SD16 that's seamless too) and i know this many years and many years ago.

this is some of my collected links, sorry some of them are BJD (made of plastic or clay, not realistic rubber) and not seamless body. they made seperate limbs. I dont have time to select only that seamless doll but you can check.

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Arte Tokio (?????? Elf)
http://www.artetokio.com/

Mini Silicone Doll
http://minisilicondoll.web.infoseek.co.jp/

RML Hyper Factory
http://rml.sakura.ne.jp/NewFiles/

The Orientdoll.us
http://www.theorientdoll.us/

SOOM Doll
http://www.dollsoom.com/

Super Dollfie Dream of Doll (D.O.D.)
http://www.ecinter.net/frontstore/main/ ... _id=hoo933

Super Dollfie LUTSDOLL.CO.LTD
http://www.eluts.com/

iple House Ball Joint Doll
http://www.iplehouse.net/

VOLKS 1/3 and 1/6 Doll (Dollfie , Super Dollfie) , Model , Figure
http://www.volks.co.jp/en/index.aspx
http://www.volks.co.jp/jp/index.aspx

VOLKS KOREA (???? ?????)
http://www.volkskorea.com/

VOLKS USA (??? ?????)
http://www.volksusa.com/

Doll Leeke
http://www.leekeworld.us/

Eden 1/3 Doll
http://www.edendoll.com/en

Elf Doll
http://elfdoll.com/
http://elfdoll.co.kr/
http://dec66292.dreamweb.co.kr/index.php

Domuya Doll
http://www.domuya.com/

Mariarose 1/3 Doll
http://mariarose.fc2web.com/

Obitsu Doll
http://www.obitsu.co.jp/
http://www.obitsu.co.jp/eng/

1/6 and 1/3 Silicone Doll
http://www.siliconedoll.com/main.htm

Latidoll
http://www.latidoll.com/

Ball Joint Doll
http://www.parabox.jp/

Takumi Silicone Minidoll
http://takumi-doll.jp/

Lapis Mini Doll
http://lapis-doll.net/

Soul Doll
http://www.souldoll.com/

DollHeart
http://www.dollheart.com/

Dollmore
http://www.dollmore.com/

Doll in Mind
http://www.dimdoll.com/

Notdoll Lab Korea
http://notdolllab.com/

Angelregion International
http://angelsupply.co.kr/

Cherry Doll
http://cheerydoll.com/
http://cheerydoll.com/dollenglish/main.htm

Ball Joint Doll Web Ring
http://n.webring.com/hub?ring=balljointdolls

~Burning! on The Web~ (Doll Page)
http://www1.odn.ne.jp/~aaa68230/DOLL.html

Putut Ange - Doll dress manufacture studoi
http://putitange.main.jp/

Lifesize and Minisize Dress
http://www.matsukameya.com/index.htm

Paper Moon Models and Minidolls
https://secure.pmoon.co.jp/TOUSHINDAI/



these are not totally. :!:
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http://tuktahouse.awardspace.com --- Tuktahouse Thailand Club.

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Wow nice list, I'm gonna have to check some of those out. Thanks!

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i have more pictures of some 60cm and 30cm seamless doll that is not in websites in that list. but i can't remeber where i got those pics. some of them are private hand made. some of them are sell but not online.

some of them look interesting, many type of body styles and breast sizes. they can have nice pose for picture with their free style joints.
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http://tuktahouse.awardspace.com --- Tuktahouse Thailand Club.

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siliconedoll.com is dead

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Thanks Crazyhorse and Thaidollsmaster,

What a great number of links! Obviously the number of seamless minidolls is still very small compared to the BJD's. But I am definitely not the only manufacturer of seamless minidolls. :?

It seems to me that the dolls of Arte Tokio are very sharp priced. But their skeleton is not very humanlike, so I wonder to what extend the positions will still look realistic. I love their photoshoots, but they show no 'extreme' positions. Still, they look very fine.

It made me wonder why they can come up with such a price, while Priadols and my ScoonimDolls are almost tripple that price. :roll:

So I made a more thorough analysis and I think that the prices of Priadols and ScoonimDolls are still very much reasonable. It mainly comes down to the size and labour. These are all fully handmade dolls. The success of their production is highly depending on the skills of labour. And the smaller and more sophisticated the doll, the harder it gets to make it. Much like jewelry. The costs are not in the gold, but the refinement by labour of the piece.

Question is: will the customer recognize the difference in quality? I am sure eventually they will, but how long is that going to take... :(

I definitely need to look into this.
Any suggestions?

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Koen wrote:Question is: will the customer recognize the difference in quality?
More importantly, do they care? Are they looking for a perfect doll or just something good enough for a good price?

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I am convinced that when people recognize quality they will appreciate it.
Of course for (far) most people the good-quality-reasonable-price concept is leading. But dolls like these are not produced for them. It is the category of people who appreciate this kind of product to the level of 'no-matter-the-costs-as-long-as-I-can-afford-it'. Now this is still a considerably large group, for also people who decide to by a (one!) beer at the San Marco Square in Venice for 5,- euro belong to this group. For this price you can buy yourself almost 30 times the amount of beer at any local drugstore. But believe it or not, they sell a lot of beer at the San Maco Square!

Maybe the question should be: what aspects make that people decide to buy products like ScoonimDolls, silicon dolls, (high-quality) inflatable dolls,
fashiondolls, BJD's.[/i]

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It made me wonder why they can come up with such a price, while Priadols and my ScoonimDolls are almost tripple that price.
If I'm not mistaken, the Arte Tokio dolls prices dropped considerably sometime in the last 6-8 months, I'm pretty sure I remember them being about $1200 USD when I first saw them last year. I would guess this is because they've found some ways to streamline their production process and save some time/money, and are passing that along to increase their sales. I guess its working because I felt they were a bit outside my budget for a non-functional doll before, but now I'm planning to get one ASAP. :wink:

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Koen wrote: So I made a more thorough analysis and I think that the prices of Priadols and ScoonimDolls are still very much reasonable. It mainly comes down to the size and labour. These are all fully handmade dolls. The success of their production is highly depending on the skills of labour. And the smaller and more sophisticated the doll, the harder it gets to make it. Much like jewelry. The costs are not in the gold, but the refinement by labour of the piece.

Question is: will the customer recognize the difference in quality? I am sure eventually they will, but how long is that going to take... :(
Maybe the guys at ArteTokio decided to go for a more simple skeleton or simply chosed to make smallest profit margins but that doesn't mean the quality is not there. There's a lot of competition for dolls in Japan so the products have to be (very) good.

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When actually produced in Japan, $1200,- for these kind of dolls makes sense. Having lived in Tokio myself, I think it is fair for me to presume that even in that price there must have been very little profit for them. When they now managed to drop their price to almost half it means simply that they have scaled up their production considerably and most likely they have transferred their production (or a considerable part of it) to China. If this is the case they will likely make even more profit than with the original series.

But I am glad to know that their original price was $1200,-. And I think that the people who have bought dolls from this first series are the truely lucky ones. :)

Still I think that in order to make realistic looking positions, you need a realistic looking skeleton. Crazyhorse, I am most anxious to read your review when you got one of these dolls. :)

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Post by bodrex »

can those doll to midification for "insert" or some body ever tray that ??

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