Right in to the DamageZone!! ... any advice, Goose?

[red_dragon]

I just saw your postings for the first time. I'm very sorry this has happened and I'm hoping for the best for you!

[mytime]

Hi Full Batman,

Hope you've fixed it up, cleaned out that tears securely with the solvent..., fluid the glue into the tears...put it together... and used pins if it was needed...probably not I think...although I don't know... and have now a doll sitting drying ...somewhere... hope you can fuck the beatifull dancer instead of the doll... tomorrow... the glue is dry!!!!!
Hope you'll some less depressive then...
But then... there will remain another job being to do.
Fixing up the damaged doll hands.
A doll with broken hands and tears... both occuring in a week... call Matt is my idea. I wonder if he won't fix up your hands for a "special price".
You have had so much trouble in so little time...
Good luck boy! And... hold on!

mytime

[Mike Johnson]

Wolvie is on to something here:

I picked up a tube of "DAP Titanium Silicone Glue - Clear" from my local hardware store.

The price was $3.99 for a huge tube !!!!! Compare at $12.99 for Marine Grade silicone.

How good is it?

It's stronger than Marine grade silicone BUT not as strong as the glue Abyss uses.

I tested all three glues on scrap silicone:

If Marine grade is considered a "1" in strength:

Dap is a 3.

Abyss glue is a 6.

So for most repairs you would be OK.

For mouth tears, vagina and anus tears I'd use the Abyss glue.

All three dried soft when used correctly.

All three could be mixed with make-up or tint and used as silicone paint.

[dennis3761]

Wow-

Alot of differing opinions here. Elsbeth also developed a small anal tear and I tried the RD adheasive but it not hold. Then I read this post and realized that I forgot to clean the area with solvent first. I will retry this tonight.


BTW... my tube of RD adheasive is almost rock hard after only one use. I remember with E1 I had the same problem. And yes of corse I fastend the top securely on both tubes. If this stuff is so good and expensive there must be a better way to package it.


Dennis

[Mike Johnson]

The expensive stuff can be bought in large tubes just like the rest.

Slade or Matt can answer questions about that.

And NO - I haven't used the DAP on my dolls yet. I actually use the Marine grade silicone glue to repair my other silicone toys.

Cheap toys equal cheap glue.

However, the DAP should work. I'm sure Wolvie will give us progress reports on that.

http://www.dollalbum.com/php-cgi/gallery/album158/aat

[Sith_Lord]

You all seem to be missing the point when it comes to these repairs. The entries are very elastic. When you use the adhesive you lose elasticity at the repair point.

The adhesive actually resists expansion at a greater rate than the surrounding skin. This causes additional forces at the mend point as it is resisting stretching and collapse. You have to match the softness with the skin silicone.

The entries are expanded 200~500%, Try to stretch that adhesive that far. It ain't happening. If any of you recall Abyss states that the silicone used for the entries is softer. It's a trade off, The softer the silicone the higher the expantion rate and the risk of tearing.

Batman already contacted Abyss concerning the repairs and Joey told him the same thing I'm saying. USE THE TWO PART SILICONE!

Like Mike said, When in doubt follow Abyss's advice.....

[Mike Johnson]

Let's get down to brass tacks here:

Jazzi had an anal tear that wouldn't go away.

Tried the two part - SHE TORE HER ASS AGAIN !!!!

Matt IN PERSON told me to USE THE GLUE !!!!!

Why? The two part FAILED because the strength in her ASS was the same -

I replaced like silicone with like silicone.

So - I followed MATT'S process:

Took the small tube of glue that HE handed me and used it to fix the tear in Jazzi's ass.

IT HELD. It's held for SIX months now.

THE REASON: The glue provides a STRONGER BOND.

So - I've tried it SITH'S Way - what happened:

I had a BROKEN DOLL .

Now I have a fixed doll -

THANK's TO MATT.

Happy doll:

http://www.dollalbum.com/php-cgi/gallery/album158/abg

[Mike Johnson]

In the repair kit I GOT FROM MATT are these written instructions:

"For Moderate to severe tears, SPECIFICALLY AREAS THAT REQUIRE HIGH STRENGTH:

1) Clean area with acetone. Apply a layer of silicone adhesive glue to each side of the tear and close.

2) Wipe excess glue away from damaged area. Position doll so that the tear is closed. Allow 18 hours curing time before moving."

Sounds good to me. I'd follow that.

"For COSMETIC REPAIRS:

1) Clean area with acetone. Mix colored two part silicone 3 to 1 base to catalyst. Allow material to thicken to a thick syrup. Apply with popsicle stick and shape with a wet finger. Allow repair to cure for 3-4 hours. This process can also be used for minor compression tears that require filling."

Questions? e-mail Matt at matt@realdoll.com

Hey - Matt's WRITTEN process works for me JUST FINE.

[Wolverine]

HEY, I'm not lookin' to start a riot here
I just said
#1. The tube of glue I got from Abyss had hardened, I needed a quick fix.
#2. Tia had TINY tears in her ass area, they actually looked like someone dug their fingernails into her "crack" above her cheeks, upon closer inspection I found them to be tiny tears.
#3. I couldn't use the hardend glue, because....It was hardened.
#4. I applied the hardware store purchased DAP, and I can't tell the difference.
#5. I purchased a repair kit from Abyss, where I did a side, by side comparison with the glue included with that kit, and the Dap I purchased from the hardware store, and found them to be identical.
#6. When joining soft material, you don't use a soft glue, the bond is what's imperative. The material won't change it's properties because you use a stronger bonding agent, unless you "cake" it on. If using a softer glue for softer material was the way to go, then why not use rubber cement?

I used the Dap to cover a small scratch on her leg, and it feels the same to me.
I've used the DAP to glue her hand back together after cutting into it to fix the fucked up fingerwires, and handplate that she had since she arrived here. It's held, It's holding, no "issues".

[MarkY]

I think the difference here is what you want when you repair.

All techniques do work. The adhesive technique is best for
durability. It is a good basic starting level repair. Holds up
but it can be felt and seen as a repair IMO.

If you want a patch to look and feel like the original doll then you
need to pay attention to softness, color, texture and shape.
This type of patching is far more difficult and is not for everyone.
I would suggest that you should become comfortable with the adhesive technique before you go on to try anything more complicated.

The adhesive technique is far more forgiving since surface preparation
is not that important. If you want to use the two-part silicone
then you must have a roughened surface (400 grit sandpaper) and an ultra clean surface. I clean with dish soap and water to remove the
water soluble contaminants and follow with a cleaning with lighter fluid and a final wash with acetone to remove the organic contaminants.
For the high stress areas I do not close the tear conpletely. This leaves a
little extra rubber to stretch reducing the chance of future tears.

This method that I use is NOT from Matt but from Tom McLaughlin's publication on silicone.

[mytime]

Hi Marky,

This is nice to hear from one of the specialists : you!
But wat me more concerns in some way is were fullbatman hangs out.
I hope he has fixed his doll and enjoys it again.
He heard really as a "broken man" about the fact that his lady had teared.

mytime

[Sith_Lord]

I'd have to agree with Mark about this as it sounds like the repair in Mikes case was not done properly resulting in failure of the bond.

Since the glue is solvent based it's likely more forgiving than the two part silicone.

In batmans case the entry needs to be opened more or He'll just tear it out again, Regardless of the material used.

The anal entry sees the highest expantion as it's the smallest opening, I would think about a 500% elongation with an average willie.

Depending on where you "set" the softness of the two part (using silicone oil) you change the elastisity. This also effects the tear strength.

Since the two part employs no solvents in the cure process any repair areas have to be properly cleaned and prepaired or failure of the bond point will occur.

I ran into a similar problem when experimenting with the silicone foam as it had very little elasticity and tore away from the silicone skin it was attached to.

[Mike Johnson]

"I'd have to agree with Mark about this as it sounds like the repair in Mikes case was not done properly resulting in failure of the bond."

What I did wrong was in the words of MATT:

"You used two-part silicone to do a high-stress area repair. That's is what the silicone glue is for."

And NO - it's didn't dry "hard" or anything - her anal opening feels JUST FINE.

Once again - when I FOLLOW MATT's written process on doll repair - the repairs last and last.

[full-batman]

Seems like there's a lot of differing opinions here. Certainly makes it confusing for a beginner ... but also educational.

Talk to Joey, Talk to Matt, adhesive from Abyss, silicone from Abyss, acetone, soap water, pins, filling area, matching area, alcohol, sand paper!, DAP, military silicone

I've been away for a few days. I still go between confidence in the product and giving up. I think I will try to clean the area and fix it. If I doesn't hold then I think I will just sell her and move on. I realized something of this $$ would need care and maintenance, but not so soon, I guess.

For me, I may have entered a Bermuda Triangle of poor timing. 2 wig patches came off, anal tears, vaginal tears, 6 broken fingers, eye lashes off, and a small armpit hole developed ... all within the first week. Maybe bad coincedence, maybe regular stuff. I don't know.

I still think the product is quality. It's just such a delicate material and rather demanding usage, that it might not be for me.

I've got to do some work now, but I will post some pictures tonight of the tears, and maybe that might help everyone find common ground for repairs. For me and for others. Thanks.

[Mike Johnson]

If you check your owner's manual that came with your doll you'll find a chapter on doll repair.

If you follow it to the letter your doll will be fine.

I'd memorize it myself. I cannot - and will not recommend doll repair that isn't documented by Abyss Creations.

These dolls are $$$$$ and are worth every penny.

The trick is to have huge orgasms in your doll first.

It's amazing how forgiving you can be with a little tearing when the sex is just plain fantastic.

I have the DAP glue under test. When finished I'll send the results to Matt for his evaluation. If he likes what he sees, he will revise his procedures accordingly.

I asked Slade once where he got the repair materials to repair his dolls.

The answer:

From Matt - I use his materials and processes.