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 Post subject: what can glue silicone skin to internal foam core
PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:07 pm 
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I have a MPD whose silicone is peering away from internal core, especially in
the lower back/butt/thigh location, I would like to use a glue to stick silicone back to
its core but not sure which glue is effective. Can I just pour some realdoll 2 part silicone
between the doll skin and core ? Will the 2 part silicone stick to foam core?

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 Post subject: Re: what can glue silicone skin to internal foam core
PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:50 am 
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you might ask Don at Ruby's . but i am not sure what would work and do no harm.
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 Post subject: Re: what can glue silicone skin to internal foam core
PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:06 pm 
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Lassitude:
Providing the Mechadolls have the usual
poly-foam core, the silicone won't adhere at all. So
"adding/injecting" more silicone into the area won't solve the
problem, it'll make it worse. It could be the foam core
"floated/moved" in the mold while the silicone was being poured, thus
causing the skin to be thinner in those areas...not much you can do!


ciao Don-R13

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opinion...but I doubt Mr. Becker will respond to your plight.


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 Post subject: Re: what can glue silicone skin to internal foam core
PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:29 pm 
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Thanks for your reply. But I just wonder what is the original mechanism that
bonds the silicone to the foam core, if the silicone can not bond to it at all as you mentioned.


Ruby13 wrote:
Lassitude:
Providing the Mechadolls have the usual
poly-foam core, the silicone won't adhere at all. So
"adding/injecting" more silicone into the area won't solve the
problem, it'll make it worse. It could be the foam core
"floated/moved" in the mold while the silicone was being poured, thus
causing the skin to be thinner in those areas...not much you can do!


ciao Don-R13

p.s. This is only my humble
opinion...but I doubt Mr. Becker will respond to your plight.


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 Post subject: Re: what can glue silicone skin to internal foam core
PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:36 pm 
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Lassitude2:
There isn't a "mechanism/glue"
to adhere the silicone to the foam...it's a matter of placing the foam
core exactly in the center of the mold which will allow the correct
amount of silicone to encase the foam. Without a pic.there isn't much
I can add! Sorry to say, but it sounds like you've got yourself a
factory flawed doll. :(


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 Post subject: Re: what can glue silicone skin to internal foam core
PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:52 pm 
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Thanks for the explaination
Yesterday I cut into the doll to see what happens, I slice my finger underneath the skin and find that for the upper back, there is a strong bond between
silicone and foam (I can not seperate them apart with my finger), but in the lower back, they are seperated. So I suspect there is some kind of bond that
make the upper back and foam core unseperatable?
And if I put the doll sitting straight up the silicone does not folds up, only if I make her lie backward her lower back and butt silicone folds up. weird.

Ruby13 wrote:
Lassitude2:
There isn't a "mechanism/glue"
to adhere the silicone to the foam...it's a matter of placing the foam
core exactly in the center of the mold which will allow the correct
amount of silicone to encase the foam. Without a pic.there isn't much
I can add! Sorry to say, but it sounds like you've got yourself a
factory flawed doll. :(


Don-R13


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 Post subject: Re: what can glue silicone skin to internal foam core
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:08 pm 
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Hello !
I would be very greatful if anyone have more information about this.
As lassitude2 wrote the sillicon bound to core at upper back and not in lower back.
If this is the case then I don not understand Dons explanation.
Also this occours over time.

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 Post subject: Re: what can glue silicone skin to internal foam core
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:18 pm 
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Hey Leeloo Fans and Fellow Owners ...

I had this happen to one of my brand new MPD Leeloo's just an hour out of the box. She bent backwards and caused the same thing you both are describing.

Only one thing will work and that is Sil-Poxy.

In my case I sent the doll back to Jim Arthur and he cut the doll open along her side seam and used a small roller to coat the foam core evenly with it and stretched her skin back together effectuating a nearly invisable repair.

It does also occur over time depending on how you handle and play with your doll.

Feel free to contact me for further info.

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 Post subject: Re: what can glue silicone skin to internal foam core
PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:06 pm 
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Thanks Siliconlover !


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 Post subject: Re: what can glue silicone skin to internal foam core
PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:38 pm 
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Asterix wrote:
Thanks Siliconlover !


Your Welcome Asterix.

I think you pm'ed me about this some time ago now and I unfortunately lost sight of it and never got back to you ... My appoligies.

If you need any further information, please contact me.

You'll need the big 3 oz tube from smooth-on to effectuate the repair properly. Be sure to apply Evenly.



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 Post subject: Re: what can glue silicone skin to internal foam core
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 10:12 am 
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Hey All,
Just wanted to say I made this type of repair over the weekend, and it worked out fine.
One of my PIB girls is a factory second, and has spent most of her time sitting in an overstuffed chair.
This led to part of her stomach separating from the core, from sitting in this bent position month after month.
So, I bent her forward to get the "skin" to bulge away from the core, like a big air bubble.
Used an icepick to make a small puncture in the bulge, then inserted the nozzle from a compressed
can of clear RTV silicone adhesive and squirted it into the cavity of the bulging skin.
Then massaged the skin from the outside to spread the glue around on the inside.
Leaned her backward to stretch the skin back out flat and let her dry for the day.
Worked great! The skin is flat and smooth, with no noticable change in the hardness at all, and
when she sits up now, her stomach stays flat and pretty!
Finished with the small repair of the puncture wound, and she's good to go :D
Hope this helps if you want to give it a try.
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 Post subject: Re: what can glue silicone skin to internal foam core
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:16 pm 
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Hi CharlieWone !
Thanks for sharing your knowledge of doll repair.
How big was the area where you had the separation ?
Did you use Sillpoxy ?

Regards

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 Post subject: Re: what can glue silicone skin to internal foam core
PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:15 am 
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Hi Asterix,
There were two areas I repaired.
The first was across the stomach, just below the belly button. When bent forward to make it bulge,
the bulge was about 6-7 inches across and 1 1/2 inches high, kind of like a tummy roll on a pudgy girl.
The other spot was across the rib cage, and was a little smaller.
I used a clear RTV silicone adhesive that came in a pressurized can, like a can of squirt cheese.
That allowed me to poke the nozzle inside and squirt the silicone adhesive deep into the bulge.
This stuff is the same as sil-poxy. Got it at at Auto-parts store.
Thanks for asking!
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 Post subject: Re: what can glue silicone skin to internal foam core
PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:02 am 
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Asterix,

If your going to try and repair your Leeloo, Don't play games with what you use. RTV Silicone is NOT Sil-Poxy.

Additionally, A PIB's silicone mix and foam cores are also Not the same as your Leeloo's. I informed you with how Jim Arthur fixed mine and after 2 years she is holding as strong as the day she was done. It is to soon to tell if CharlieWone's repair is even going to hold and last.

You could try using a needle to inject the Sil-Poxy into the area's you need to but you must get an even coat spread throughout.



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 Post subject: Re: what can glue silicone skin to internal foam core
PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:26 pm 
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The only games I play with my girls do not involve surgery!
I take very seriously any work that I do on them.
RTV silicone is not the same as sil-poxy, in that it is made by a different company,
but if you read the chemical makeup of the two, they are almost identical.
In fact, the label on the sil-poxy reads," Sil-Poxy Silicone Adhesive is a one-component
adhesive made for bonding RTV silicone rubber to silicone rubber and other materials."
Normally, I use sil-poxy for all my repairs, but the reason for my choice was that I needed to be able to get the adhesive deep
across the bulge for even coating-
thus the use of the can of RTV under pressure- so the adhesive would "squirt" across the inside of the bulge.
I also timed the amount of adhesive that came out of the can when the "trigger" was squeezed
so that I had a good idea of how long to hold the trigger while the nozzle was inside the bulge.
Starting as deep into the bulge as possible, I squeezed the trigger and slowly backed the nozzle out,
spreading from side to side as I went.
Once filled and the nozzle removed, I manipulated the bulge from the outside to "coat" the adhesive
around inside the bulge, especially near the edges of the bulge, to keep it from spreading.
When laid back to her original position, a small amount of excess adhesive oozed out of the puncture,
which to me indicated a pretty thorough coating on the inside.
Once dry the stomach is flat and smooth, as normal.
Will it last for years? Don't know. But with a small investment and a little time, I have returned my
girl to her original state and no longer have an unsightly bulge across her stomach.
I'm sure the manufacturer could do a more professional job- so I guess you can just pack her up and send her back.
That shouldn't be any trouble at all :wink:
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