Media: A (Straight, Male) History of Sex Dolls / Aug 6,2014

[4biddenartist]

i just watched the first episode on netflix AWESOME!!!!!! soo funny thanks for the suggestion you Rock

[sosickofit]

She sounded very intelligent until her last statement which is typical female...

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[dragonfly8878]

i just watched the first episode on netflix AWESOME!!!!!! soo funny thanks for the suggestion you Rock

I thought you'd like it.

[Capt_B]

Chobits was available through Netflix a few years ago. I do not know if it still is.

I tried to watch that series. The protagonist's almost innumerable and overly excessive panic attacks were, to my sensibilities, sufficiently annoying as to make it unwatchable. It may be (have been) a good series; just not my cup of coffee.

Unfortunately, that was not the first series to start with unacceptably irritating characters. In one case, I barely made it through the first 20 minutes of the first episode before ejecting the disk and removing the entire series from my Netflix queue.

Returning to topic: Interesting article, for what little it said, but I found the comments, following the article itself, considerably more enlightening.

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[LaDollyVita]

Interesting article, for what little it said, but I found the comments, following the article itself, considerably more enlightening.

Regarding the comments, out of the 100+ I read through, it was refreshing to see the narrative surrounding dolls is evolving. The shock factor is fading, and what it might mean from a broader perspective is being discussed. The focus remains on sex, but that's not inconsistent with how dolls are viewed at TDF in general.

The article largely skips over relationships with dolls in favor of "fancy masturbation", but the title of the article suggested no less. Relationships with dolls appears to be a subculture of the doll community at best, and is unlikely to attract any thoughtful media consideration in the near future. If not for Davecat, it might very well have slipped into obscurity by now.

Overall, the article is nothing new and mostly unoriginal, but the comments on such articles seems to be changing for the better.

[haremlover]

These lovely dolls should be marketed heavily, to keep population levels under control, but then there might not be enough CONSUMERS out there to give the corporations a buck, and water won't be such a commodity in the future! BREED! SPEND MONEY! REPEAT! Those are the norms that are threatened by dolls.

No matter how many positive things the author brought up in the article, you just knew that the end conclusion would be negative. It always amazes me that if a man pursues women for one night stands, tells whatever lies he needs to to get sex, then discards them afterwards leaving a wake of emotional destruction behind him, he's regarded highly by society as manly. But if a man decides to have a relationship with a love doll, he's disrespected even though no emotions are being harmed.

It's when love dolls are able to become pregnant that society should be concerned.

Very valid reasoning coming through this that supports the wider acceptance of the benefit dolls have to society.

There are, I suspect, more members of this forum who are married who are not chiming in on this - but dolls have an important part in marriages as a statement to wives that husbands have no intention of being unfaithful.

Some husbands are lucky enough to have wives who like dolls as part of their family too; some husbands are lucky enough to have wives who are indifferent and tolerant as long as they don't see them whilst other husbands have wives who are feared to be so hostile that dolls have to be in secret. Whatever the category, dolls enable husbands not to go elsewhere for feminine fantasy.

The naysayers of society also don't understand the male, neither the mentality nor physiology. My personal experience is of a body change so that conscious erections happen with less enthusiasm but whilst I'm asleep something happens and I find myself waking up wholly involuntarily an hour or two before my wife aroused by the pain of the strongest erection possible, that then I can't do much with. It's not a sexual experience that I'm able to share much with my wife, causing significant frustration. Whilst loving wife absolutely, this leads to cherishing time alone when such physiology can be pacified in whatever way one might want without disturbing anyone else . . .

Best wishes

Harem

[Alottahope]

Thanks LDV. A good read indeed. I am on board with a lot of the discussion too. I really resonate with 4biddenartist. Although my situation was not brought up at all. Still married and in love with each other! My wife really likes what I am doing with my dolls. As artists, we both see the beauty in nature and in the man made world. To me the my dolls represent a foxy beauty that I would have been with in my youth. Now 30 years later, 4biddens experiment would show, smiling at pretty girls at my age would only bring on negative reactions, let alone ask one of these strangers to pose toppless.

I am cool with the fact that my daughter has a name for my friends and myself. When we are looking at the bikinis on the beach she calls us COD's for creepy old dudes! LOL! We can laugh at ourselves and at them! I can walk down at the beach and see all the CODs! Every one of them looking at the young girls. It's what we do! The human male nature is powerful.

It's nice to be a married man and to also have dolls to play around with! They are certainly fantacy's but they are real too. Each dolls personality is and extension of my fantacy! It seems to be growing and this can be Alotta fun!

[broadfall]

Idolitor??? well, I'm honored.....All this time I thinking I was just a plain old doll lover.....lol

[broadfall]

Thanks LDV. A good read indeed. I am on board with a lot of the discussion too. I really resonate with 4biddenartist. Although my situation was not brought up at all. Still married and in love with each other! My wife really likes what I am doing with my dolls. As artists, we both see the beauty in nature and in the man made world. To me the my dolls represent a foxy beauty that I would have been with in my youth. Now 30 years later, 4biddens experiment would show, smiling at pretty girls at my age would only bring on negative reactions, let alone ask one of these strangers to pose toppless.

I am cool with the fact that my daughter has a name for my friends and myself. When we are looking at the bikinis on the beach she calls us COD's for creepy old dudes! LOL! We can laugh at ourselves and at them! I can walk down at the beach and see all the CODs! Every one of them looking at the young girls. It's what we do! The human male nature is powerful.

It's nice to be a married man and to also have dolls to play around with! They are certainly fantacy's but they are real too. Each dolls personality is and extension of my fantacy! It seems to be growing and this can be Alotta fun!

Agreed ! Not all doll owners are lonely and creepy , I am sure there are some people out there like that, but most everyone I meet is cool. They aren't into anything else but dolls. (that's more than can be said for the local preacher, political and town busybody.) I have no idea what those people are into and if if it were known, I might be surprised or disgusted or both . Just pick up the paper and see all the "good people" who get locked up for all kinds of stuff.
I'm married to an awesome and hot wife, no complaints there, and our dolls are cool and we play with them and dress them up. My wife and I love going to the store and finding discounts on sexy clothes for the dolls and love doing their hair and make up and playing with them (in and out of the bedroom). Since I am in my studio more than I am in the house, they are with me while I work. Its' great having them around and they don't get hair all over the place like a cat. ......lol

[dragonfly8878]

The naysayers of society also don't understand the male, neither the mentality nor physiology. My personal experience is of a body change so that conscious erections happen with less enthusiasm but whilst I'm asleep something happens and I find myself waking up wholly involuntarily an hour or two before my wife aroused by the pain of the strongest erection possible, that then I can't do much with. It's not a sexual experience that I'm able to share much with my wife, causing significant frustration.

From what I understand guys get a number erections at night while they're asleep. It's the body's way of maintaining the health of the penis with increased blood flow periodically. If morning erections go away, it's an indication that testosterone levels are decreasing.

[Slew]

Interesting article, for what little it said, but I found the comments, following the article itself, considerably more enlightening.

Regarding the comments, out of the 100+ I read through, it was refreshing to see the narrative surrounding dolls is evolving. .....

Overall, the article is nothing new and mostly unoriginal, but the comments on such articles seems to be changing for the better.

Yes, it's nice to see more balanced opinions, and some non-doll owners expressing sincere advocacy.


So, I went and re-read the article, looking for subtleties. I came to the conclusion that the author is quite insecure about dolls replacing women, and managed to take it personally, like many feminists do over issues that don't necessarily have to do with the 'gender war'. My main example:

Plenty of men would like real women to be a little more like dolls.

A cautious, but almost blanket statement, using fuzzy logic that skews the "desires of men".. I'll talk about that below.

When I spoke to Davecat last year, he was offended by this idea. “Ninety-eight percent of the iDollators and technosexuals I know treat their Dolls like goddesses,” he insisted. “A lot of men are lonely because they’re misogynist pricks, true, but a lot of other men are lonely because they don’t meet women’s expectations.” But then he went on: “Dolls don’t possess any of the unpleasant qualities that organic, flesh and blood humans have. A synthetic will never lie to you, cheat on you, criticize you, or be otherwise disagreeable.”

Here, she uses Davecat's further statements about cheating, and criticizing, in an attempt to back up her theory, leading to her end statement.

Owning a sex doll is not a violent act. But as these creations come to look more and more realistic, their lifeless, prone silicone bodies are reminders of unequal gender power dynamics that play out in the real world. And as human women become more empowered, sex dolls offer a way for men to retreat into relationships where they are still in control. A doll is a woman-shaped thing that may bring a man comfort, may inspire devotion in him, and may drive away his loneliness. It will never challenge him, and it will certainly never do anything to make him feel ridiculous.

Trying to remind us that we should want to be challenged, and that humility can't be learned from a doll.


Okee-dokie.

Plenty of men would like real women to be a little more like dolls.

So you say: "men want women to act more like dolls"

I say: "What do you mean by "more like" dolls"? Because if you mean: lifeless, emotionless, inanimate, helpless, predictable... you've got to be kidding! Of course not, why would men want women to be like that? Oh, so we can control you better? Pfffff!

However, if you mean: more honest, faithful, available, tolerant, accepting, then BINGO! You get a prize, because you're right! Who knew? Is this indicative of a male chauvinistic controlling personality?

As far as wanting to be challenged, especially emotionally, on one hand I think that's valid in general, philosophically, but on the other hand, not so much so that having a doll equates to avoiding challenge. It could, theoretically, of course, but the people who might fall victim to this, would do so whether they had a doll or not, and the avoidance of challenge would just manifest itself through other means, and that could be backed up by a psychiatrist, I'd bet. The same with humility. She really shows herself here.. She implies that we men need women to "make us feel rediculous"! Oh, my word!...

It's an interpretation, but if you read between the lines, it's either a carefully planned insinuation, or she just really doesn't understand the way men think and feel. Either way, though, she waves a judging finger at dolls, for sure.



Whoa!

*edited a couple of times, by Slew, with a hammer, attempting to avoid excessively insulting certain parties.