Love Hole Placement

NightmareFiction · Post by **NightmareFiction** » Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:34 pm

First off, I love everything you guys are doing in terms of customization. Seriously, the fact that you actually put effort into something as often ignored as customizable insert textures (with proper cross sections

) and freckles is a huge plus to me. I also love the commitment to accurate portrayals of your dolls in photographs.

That being said, I'd really like to see you guys improve on the cavity placement for the doll molds. From what I could scrounge up, Sienna looks close to being good, depending on where the entrance is (if it's at the Southern end of the vulva, towards the anus or not). I've had a few dolls with incorrect placement, and I've realized that it's definitely something that I care about myself. I've got both Sienna and Lily on my radar. Please fix this so I can give you money.

Side note - Is there any way we can get a doggystyle photo of each of the specialty dolls (separately or all together)?

Post by **LoveDolls** » Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:31 pm

HI Nightmarefiction

Nice to hear from you. Could you be more specific with what the issue is with hole placement. I am guessing you mean the anus is too far from the vagina?

If this is the issue then it is unfortunately not so easily solved. The positioning of the anus far away from the vagina is intentional in order to leave a thick wall between the vagina and anus cavities. They do this firstly to maintain a thick wall so during rough penetration of either hole it does not break through to the other cavity. Secondly to leave enough space to have the removable vagina option.

I had first hand experience of this with one of our custom bodies. We recently created a mold for porn star Emma Hix from a 3d scan. When creating a mold from a 3d print the hands, feet, eats, nipples, vagina and anus are all crafted separately by hand and added on. Because Emma Hix was so petite we had issues leaving enough space in her crotch area to add the normal placings for these reasons. After much debate about options we eventually settled on keeping them close but sacrificing a bit of depth and not having a removable vagina option for her mold. Other options we considered but decided against were having the holes further away, shortening the cavity length, changing the angle of the anal cavity and having both cavities joining at the top to create what would look like an upside down V.

Anyway I could ramble about this for hours. Let me know exactly what you want and I will give you a more specific answer.

So far this year in terms of exclusives we have the 7 heads you can see in our collection page. All of these girls have Jinsan bodies. We have successful 3 porn star bodies made from scans and another new exclusive successful head and body coming out next month. I mention successful as we have had so many trial and error failures on creating bodies this year. All the 7 heads were meant to be release with their own bodies but we thought better to launch the website on Jinsan bodies than delay everything another 6 months. The reason they look so amazing in the photos is we have not cut open the vagina holes yet, I like the ideas of a hareem of virgin dolls and it looks better for photos. Links to all their photo galleries are below.

Sienna Parker - WM 165 D Cup
https://lovedolls.com/products/sienna-parker-1

Rosa Santos - the new WM 162cm, we used the first one
https://lovedolls.com/products/rosa-santos-1

Lily Fox - WM 163 C Cup
https://lovedolls.com/products/lily-fox-1

Jasmine Sharma - WM 166 C Cup
https://lovedolls.com/products/jasmine-sharma-1

Grace WIlliams - YL 164
https://lovedolls.com/products/grace-williams-1

Katie Reed - WM 160H
https://lovedolls.com/products/katie-reed-1

Jade Li - 171 J Cup
https://lovedolls.com/products/jade-li-1

Siliconeman · Post by **Siliconeman** » Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:49 pm

I simply do not understand how a manufacturer can still give us this BS.

Could you be more specific with what the issue is with hole placement. I am guessing you mean the anus is too far from the vagina?

This issue has been discussed to its death here. Just have a look at this 6YE. Dolls at your site can not be compared to this beautiful 6YE. Idea is that I want her to lie down on her tummy on bed while her ass can be easily penetrated. For this her anus should be easily accessible.

: __6YE_162_ass.jpg (74.4 KiB) Viewed 8066 times

On the other hand I like a good doggy style while she is head down ass up and now her vagina should be easily accessible. Most dolls are unable to perform a good vaginal doggystyle. Vaginal hole is placed too low and is hard to reach. 6YE does it again perfectly:

: _Jane_minireview_11.jpg (273.83 KiB) Viewed 8066 times

The positioning of the anus far away from the vagina is intentional in order to leave a thick wall between the vagina and anus cavities. They do this firstly to maintain a thick wall so during rough penetration of either hole it does not break through to the other cavity.

This is not true. I have 100cm Riley doll with both cavities and she performs very well both anally and vaginally. If 100cm dolls can have both cavities, there should be no problems whatsoever with bigger 160cm dolls. There is room to spare even for insert structure as with my 6YE, which has one.

All in all, if you want to have a winning doll, please get the love hole placement right. Pictures at your site are not promising in this respect.

Cheers!

Siliconeman

NightmareFiction · Post by **NightmareFiction** » Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:23 am

LoveDolls wrote:HI Nightmarefiction

Nice to hear from you. Could you be more specific with what the issue is with hole placement. I am guessing you mean the anus is too far from the vagina?

If this is the issue then it is unfortunately not so easily solved. The positioning of the anus far away from the vagina is intentional in order to leave a thick wall between the vagina and anus cavities. They do this firstly to maintain a thick wall so during rough penetration of either hole it does not break through to the other cavity. Secondly to leave enough space to have the removable vagina option.

I had first hand experience of this with one of our custom bodies. We recently created a mold for porn star Emma Hix from a 3d scan. When creating a mold from a 3d print the hands, feet, eats, nipples, vagina and anus are all crafted separately by hand and added on. Because Emma Hix was so petite we had issues leaving enough space in her crotch area to add the normal placings for these reasons. After much debate about options we eventually settled on keeping them close but sacrificing a bit of depth and not having a removable vagina option for her mold. Other options we considered but decided against were having the holes further away, shortening the cavity length, changing the angle of the anal cavity and having both cavities joining at the top to create what would look like an upside down V.

Anyway I could ramble about this for hours. Let me know exactly what you want and I will give you a more specific answer.

So far this year in terms of exclusives we have the 7 heads you can see in our collection page. All of these girls have Jinsan bodies. We have successful 3 porn star bodies made from scans and another new exclusive successful head and body coming out next month. I mention successful as we have had so many trial and error failures on creating bodies this year. All the 7 heads were meant to be release with their own bodies but we thought better to launch the website on Jinsan bodies than delay everything another 6 months. The reason they look so amazing in the photos is we have not cut open the vagina holes yet, I like the ideas of a hareem of virgin dolls and it looks better for photos. Links to all their photo galleries are below.

Sienna Parker - WM 165 D Cup
https://lovedolls.com/products/sienna-parker-1

Rosa Santos - the new WM 162cm, we used the first one
https://lovedolls.com/products/rosa-santos-1

Lily Fox - WM 163 C Cup
https://lovedolls.com/products/lily-fox-1

Jasmine Sharma - WM 166 C Cup
https://lovedolls.com/products/jasmine-sharma-1

Grace WIlliams - YL 164
https://lovedolls.com/products/grace-williams-1

Katie Reed - WM 160H
https://lovedolls.com/products/katie-reed-1

Jade Li - 171 J Cup
https://lovedolls.com/products/jade-li-1

Ah, so the dolls under the "Collection" tab have WM bodies? That makes a bit more sense then; I thought they were all LoveDoll exclusives.

When referring to the hole placement, I'm talking about specifically how high ("high" meaning towards the front of the body) the vaginal opening is on the pubic mound. An easy way to describe a more accurate placement is that both the vaginal opening, and to a lesser extent the anus, should be essentially pointing straight down when the doll is standing straight up. This ensures that when the doll bends over at the waist, the vaginal opening will point straight out.

If you look at this shot of Katie, her vaginal opening is angled down when she's bent over. To access the vaginal opening in this position, you essentially need to come up from below her, which is unnecessarily difficult to do, at best. If you have the doll lying prone on her stomach, the vaginal opening is nearly completely inaccessible. The 6YE doll that Siliconeman posted has a more accurate placement. Additionally, depending on where the vaginal opening is located within the inner lips and which way it is angled, Sienna has accurate placement as well.

Notice how Sienna's vaginal opening points almost straight out when she bends over? That's what Katie (and all the other dolls) should look like too. Correct placement and an adequately sized perineum are 100% doable.

jcpax727 · Post by **jcpax727** » Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:44 am

Call me crazy but I actually prefer LDs vagina proportion over the placement. (Sienna imo has both perfect)

Ya sure the anus should be closer to the vagina but the 6ye vagina to me looks like a ball sack hanging down with just a slit cut into it. (Not trying to say that meanly, I just cant word it different lol)

Both are realistic though, thats just what I prefer.

sixonewoody · Post by **sixonewoody** » Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:58 pm

I must side with Siliconeman, 6YE and AMOR are setting the pace here on placement. And so glad there is attention to this topic. I have made two purchases that I wish had a little correction on placement. I know more models will be developed the more we keep this communications going.

Sorry jcpax727, with all respect, the vagina develops into a ball sack in humans, remember science class? LOL
I will agree with you somewhat, the mound could be a little smaller. Just my 2 cents and glad to read everyone's thoughts - thanks jcpax727.

Thanks 6YE and AMOR!

Post by **LoveDolls** » Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:10 am

SIliconeman - Thank you for your opinions, they have been noted. I was very clear in my commentary before that those reasons were specific to that one doll and not a statement for all dolls in general. However it is true that those are some of the many things we all consider during the manufacture process.

Nightmarefiction - I appreciate the feedback. We have completed 3 exclusive dolls which I will able to show you next month. Another one is in production but we have not finalized that part yet so I will bear this in mind. This model will also be released next month. If you think of anything else relevant please do let me know. I'll make sure we take it all into account when placing the hole.

jcpax727 - Thanks for your feedback, I also agree that from these photos the LoveDolls are the more beautiful options. People will always have conflicting opinions on what looks best but siliconman and nightmarefiction's comments about ease of access will be taken seriously and I will mention this on the factory floor and make it happen.

sixonewoody - appreciate the feedback.

sixonewoody · Post by **sixonewoody** » Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:47 pm

LoveDolls wrote:SIliconeman - Thank you for your opinions, they have been noted. I was very clear in my commentary before that those reasons were specific to that one doll and not a statement for all dolls in general. However it is true that those are some of the many things we all consider during the manufacture process.

Nightmarefiction - I appreciate the feedback. We have completed 3 exclusive dolls which I will able to show you next month. Another one is in production but we have not finalized that part yet so I will bear this in mind. This model will also be released next month. If you think of anything else relevant please do let me know. I'll make sure we take it all into account when placing the hole.

jcpax727 - Thanks for your feedback, I also agree that from these photos the LoveDolls are the more beautiful options. People will always have conflicting opinions on what looks best but siliconman and nightmarefiction's comments about ease of access will be taken seriously and I will mention this on the factory floor and make it happen.

sixonewoody - appreciate the feedback.

What a GREAT FORUM! Everyone is very important and I think it is amazing to share thoughts and ideas (even if they are different then our own). It is great to challenge our thoughts and share ideas. And maybe even lol at great comments (Thanks jcpax727 for your comparison - loved it!)

I appreciate you passing along ideas and interest to the manufacturing companies - always moving forward.

NightmareFiction · Post by **NightmareFiction** » Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:06 pm

LoveDolls wrote:SIliconeman - Thank you for your opinions, they have been noted. I was very clear in my commentary before that those reasons were specific to that one doll and not a statement for all dolls in general. However it is true that those are some of the many things we all consider during the manufacture process.

Nightmarefiction - I appreciate the feedback. We have completed 3 exclusive dolls which I will able to show you next month. Another one is in production but we have not finalized that part yet so I will bear this in mind. This model will also be released next month. If you think of anything else relevant please do let me know. I'll make sure we take it all into account when placing the hole.

jcpax727 - Thanks for your feedback, I also agree that from these photos the LoveDolls are the more beautiful options. People will always have conflicting opinions on what looks best but siliconman and nightmarefiction's comments about ease of access will be taken seriously and I will mention this on the factory floor and make it happen.

sixonewoody - appreciate the feedback.

This is so good to hear! It's always great to see a manufacturer willing to listen to customer comments and take constructive feedback to heart. With the level of customization LoveDolls offer, if you are also able to manufacture WM/Jinsan dolls with proper placement, it will be huge for you guys. I'm not even kidding. It may not be easy, but it's one of TDF's white whales (the other being reduced weight).

I will be eagerly awaiting new updates from LoveDolls.

trauma · Post by **trauma** » Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:59 pm

Siliconeman wrote:I simply do not understand how a manufacturer can still give us this BS.

Could you be more specific with what the issue is with hole placement. I am guessing you mean the anus is too far from the vagina?
This issue has been discussed to its death here. Just have a look at this 6YE. Dolls at your site can not be compared to this beautiful 6YE. Idea is that I want her to lie down on her tummy on bed while her ass can be easily penetrated. For this her anus should be easily accessible.

__6YE_162_ass.jpg
On the other hand I like a good doggy style while she is head down ass up and now her vagina should be easily accessible. Most dolls are unable to perform a good vaginal doggystyle. Vaginal hole is placed too low and is hard to reach. 6YE does it again perfectly:

_Jane_minireview_11.jpg

The positioning of the anus far away from the vagina is intentional in order to leave a thick wall between the vagina and anus cavities. They do this firstly to maintain a thick wall so during rough penetration of either hole it does not break through to the other cavity.
This is not true. I have 100cm Riley doll with both cavities and she performs very well both anally and vaginally. If 100cm dolls can have both cavities, there should be no problems whatsoever with bigger 160cm dolls. There is room to spare even for insert structure as with my 6YE, which has one.

All in all, if you want to have a winning doll, please get the love hole placement right. Pictures at your site are not promising in this respect.

Cheers!

Siliconeman

Post by **LoveDolls** » Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:50 am

As a British influence inside an Asian factory I hope to bridge the gap between Western desires and Asian production which is so often lost in translation.

In the spirit of innovation lets first experiment with a TDF member and manufacturer collaboration on hole placement and see where it takes us.

Also everybody please remember this forum is not twitter. We are all mature adults working towards a common goal. Lets please keep this to constructive feedback only.

The first picture is the first draft of placement of the vagina and anus hole. There is always some back and fourth before a final decision is made. I intend to move the whole thing up so the anus hole is where the circle indicates and the vagina hole would be just below where the anus hole is now. I believe this will solve all the issues mentioned in this thread.

Which were to clarify
1. Looking beautiful
2. Anatomically correct
3. Holes facing directly down when standing
4. Ease of access from doggy and lying on front position

Please comment below.

Siliconeman · Post by **Siliconeman** » Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:59 am

Thank you for your efforts!

Please always keep in mind ease of rear entry. Frontal entry is not critical, you can always lift the doll to favorable position. Rear entry requires more consideration for the hole placement. So far your plan looks good, but don´t be afraid to move the holes considerable amount to right direction. Also moving her vagina straight in between her legs at the bottom could decrease annoying "pussy spread" effect. This effect comes when you spread the legs her pussy opens up very much and very unrealistically. My 6Ye "Jane" with correct placement does not spread her pussy as badly as my other dolls with incorrect hole placement. Just dag into my porn collection and found one reference picture for you:

: pussyass.jpg (75.22 KiB) Viewed 7857 times

I hope this censoring is enough to make this image legit. It´s very subject related so I hope it is not removed.

Cheers!

Siliconeman

Post by **LoveDolls** » Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:36 pm

Thanks for the thoughts they are helpful. I also share your dislike about the gape however I have noticed the level of gape does vary from doll to doll even if they are the same model number so there is a bit more to the puzzle than placement location.

NightmareFiction · Post by **NightmareFiction** » Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:46 pm

LoveDolls wrote:As a British influence inside an Asian factory I hope to bridge the gap between Western desires and Asian production which is so often lost in translation.

In the spirit of innovation lets first experiment with a TDF member and manufacturer collaboration on hole placement and see where it takes us.

Also everybody please remember this forum is not twitter. We are all mature adults working towards a common goal. Lets please keep this to constructive feedback only.

The first picture is the first draft of placement of the vagina and anus hole. There is always some back and fourth before a final decision is made. I intend to move the whole thing up so the anus hole is where the circle indicates and the vagina hole would be just below where the anus hole is now. I believe this will solve all the issues mentioned in this thread.

Which were to clarify
1. Looking beautiful
2. Anatomically correct
3. Holes facing directly down when standing
4. Ease of access from doggy and lying on front position

Please comment below.

I think the new proposed spot is definitely a step in the right direction, but without seeing the doll in doggy, my gut tells me that the anus needs to move back a bit farther. Just eyeballing it though, I feel like the "bottom" of the anus should be exactly where the color stops and the white begins.