Abyss falling behind?

[TJ_Foxx]

So, you found something from over 8 years ago. Interesting how things change in almost a decade.

Matt McMullen from Abyss said that.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/06 ... x-dolls-2/

"You can look at even the best of my dolls, and you can still tell that it's a doll. And I want to keep in that arena ... If you keep it far enough away from super-realism, I think you're in safer territory."

[TJ_Foxx]

Matt McMullen from Abyss said that.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/06 ... x-dolls-2/

"You can look at even the best of my dolls, and you can still tell that it's a doll. And I want to keep in that arena ... If you keep it far enough away from super-realism, I think you're in safer territory."

I don't doubt that this is a goal for Abyss. But I disagree with this myself. Give me a doll that gets all the way to absolute realism, if you can. I can handle it!

This quote is from over 8 years ago. Let’s keep that in perspective, being almost a decade ago.

[DocWen]

Matt McMullen from Abyss said that.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/06 ... x-dolls-2/

"You can look at even the best of my dolls, and you can still tell that it's a doll. And I want to keep in that arena ... If you keep it far enough away from super-realism, I think you're in safer territory."

I don't doubt that this is a goal for Abyss. But I disagree with this myself. Give me a doll that gets all the way to absolute realism, if you can. I can handle it!

This quote is from over 8 years ago. Let’s keep that in perspective, being almost a decade ago.

Ugh. First draft read waaaay ruder than was intended. Let me try again:

The other dude mentioned that he remembered Matt saying something. You asked for proof and then got seemingly upset when he couldn't remember. Now they delivered it.

That was something from a long time ago and most likely no longer pertains. But it's still what you asked for.

[lexico]

Hey Again,

I think this starts to get into the hazy realm of attractions and preferences, which is kind of endless...

Looking over pretty much every doll company represented here on TDF, we can see some people saying "oh, beautiful," and others saying "not for me."

Whether you find RealDolls totally appealing or not, all we're doing is expressing our opinions about that fuzzy line of "feminine" and "masculine" in a doll. In my case, I'm only commenting on the "trans male" thing out of fun and humor.

[TJ_Foxx]

Matt McMullen from Abyss said that.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/06 ... x-dolls-2/

"You can look at even the best of my dolls, and you can still tell that it's a doll. And I want to keep in that arena ... If you keep it far enough away from super-realism, I think you're in safer territory."

I don't doubt that this is a goal for Abyss. But I disagree with this myself. Give me a doll that gets all the way to absolute realism, if you can. I can handle it!

This quote is from over 8 years ago. Let’s keep that in perspective, being almost a decade ago.

Ugh. First draft read waaaay ruder than was intended. Let me try again:

The other dude mentioned that he remembered Matt saying something. You asked for proof and then got seemingly upset when he couldn't remember. Now they delivered it.

That was something from a long time ago and most likely no longer pertains. But it's still what you asked for.

Upset? No. Just doing my job as a moderator making sure that when people make claims they are accurate and supported. Rule 10.

Is there a reason you chime in here & the contact thread about Abyss? I don’t recall you sharing any actual knowledge or experience with them. It appears you just like to dance on the borders of rules 3,4,5 & 10 .

[anonymousdfuser]

So, you found something from over 8 years ago. Interesting how things change in almost a decade.

Matt McMullen from Abyss said that.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/06 ... x-dolls-2/

"You can look at even the best of my dolls, and you can still tell that it's a doll. And I want to keep in that arena ... If you keep it far enough away from super-realism, I think you're in safer territory."

Yes, and it took me less than 5 minutes of Googling it. Doesn't matter when Matt said it. He still said it. All I did is provide the source you were asking for.

[anonymousdfuser]

Matt McMullen from Abyss said that.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/06 ... x-dolls-2/

"You can look at even the best of my dolls, and you can still tell that it's a doll. And I want to keep in that arena ... If you keep it far enough away from super-realism, I think you're in safer territory."

I don't doubt that this is a goal for Abyss. But I disagree with this myself. Give me a doll that gets all the way to absolute realism, if you can. I can handle it!

This quote is from over 8 years ago. Let’s keep that in perspective, being almost a decade ago.

Ugh. First draft read waaaay ruder than was intended. Let me try again:

The other dude mentioned that he remembered Matt saying something. You asked for proof and then got seemingly upset when he couldn't remember. Now they delivered it.

That was something from a long time ago and most likely no longer pertains. But it's still what you asked for.

Upset? No. Just doing my job as a moderator making sure that when people make claims they are accurate and supported. Rule 10.

Is there a reason you chime in here & the contact thread about Abyss? I don’t recall you sharing any actual knowledge or experience with them. It appears you just like to dance on the borders of rules 3,4,5 & 10 .

Honestly, to me it seems that you are being overly and unnecessarily sensitive about this. Nobody here is making "claims" about RD. Someone said that Matt had previously said that RD doesn't strive for absolute realism. You wanted proof of it. I remembered Matt saying it, spent less than 5 minutes Googling it, and provided the proof. Whether or not it is from 8 years ago is irrelevant. He said it, and that's what matters. Whether or not it's still true, who knows. But the relevant thing is that Matt said it.

At least in my opinion, not much has changed regarding how "realistic" the dolls are. I've been following Abyss for a very long time, and I haven't seen any noticeable changes in those 8 years regarding small details in the dolls.

[TJ_Foxx]

It’s all very interesting. The topic is “Abyss falling behind”. A claim was presented regarding the direction of the company. It is on the person making the claim to support it. It was very nice of you to find that using Google. He & I were done with it & moved on. If you haven’t seen anything different about the details in the dolls over the last 8-10 you aren’t looking very closely. We have discussed them extensively here. Maybe you can try using Google again?

[4891d]

To return to the topic started by the OP, does anyone know if there is a thread on TDF where a member shows his RealDollX doll in operation?
Out of curiosity, I would like to see how this works. I've already seen a video of another robotic face on TDF, but never a RealDoll. So if anyone has any info (or, even better, a link), I'm interested.

[TJ_Foxx]

To return to the topic started by the OP, does anyone know if there is a thread on TDF where a member shows his RealDollX doll in operation?
Out of curiosity, I would like to see how this works. I've already seen a video of another robotic face on TDF, but never a RealDoll. So if anyone has any info (or, even better, a link), I'm interested.

Brick has shown his RDx’s multiple times in various threads

[Gaijin]

So, what I've gathered from all this is that Abyss has terrible customer feedback and communication. Their dolls can cost 2-5 times what other silicone dolls on the market do with similar features. However, if we as TDF members and potential future customers of Abyss' products ask if that price is justified, if those $10k dolls really are worth the money compared to other popular brands featured on these forums, we get shouted down for not already owning a RealDoll? We just want to know what the differences are between a RealDoll and a high-end Chinese doll.
These answers should be free by the way. If I was comparison shopping with cars or homes, I wouldn't have to pay to access a third party website. I could ask the dealership or realtor directly, and get (relatively) honest answers.

[blindwebster]

I still find their works gorgeous and have always wanted one, but I could no longer justify the price and insane wait times. The Asian market is just so immense and the options are endless at better prices, with more innovations as well. I mean, it is what it is.

[4891d]

To return to the topic started by the OP, does anyone know if there is a thread on TDF where a member shows his RealDollX doll in operation?
Out of curiosity, I would like to see how this works. I've already seen a video of another robotic face on TDF, but never a RealDoll. So if anyone has any info (or, even better, a link), I'm interested.

Brick has shown his RDx’s multiple times in various threads

I just checked, but all the videos accessible through the links in the six threads I watched are marked as deleted (with the exception of an Abyss promotional video from 2018 on UTube). I'll look in other threads when I have time, hoping to get better results.

My wish would above all be to have feedback from simple users to know their experience and, if possible, to see some interactive videos to realize what these functionalities can bring to the links that one can establish with his doll.
On a related note, I'm following with interest threads from members who use AI providers to communicate in various ways with their dolls; However, these do not have robotic heads and cannot speak directly. I would be curious to see a robotic head in real operation (even through videos) to understand what the strengths or limitations of this functionality are.

[lexico]

So, what I've gathered from all this is that Abyss has terrible customer feedback and communication. Their dolls can cost 2-5 times what other silicone dolls on the market do with similar features. However, if we as TDF members and potential future customers of Abyss' products ask if that price is justified, if those $10k dolls really are worth the money compared to other popular brands featured on these forums, we get shouted down for not already owning a RealDoll? We just want to know what the differences are between a RealDoll and a high-end Chinese doll.
These answers should be free by the way. If I was comparison shopping with cars or homes, I wouldn't have to pay to access a third party website. I could ask the dealership or realtor directly, and get (relatively) honest answers.

Yes, that about sums it up!

Abyss used to be the undisputed leader in this realm. In fact, they launched silicone dolls as a thing.

But right now, buying a RealDoll means you will be paying at least $5,000 more than even the most expensive other brands for a doll that takes at least a year to arrive, from a company that doesn't communicate with you. And to get more information about the dolls, it will cost you even more (and you might not get the information)!

With that being said, it's possible this is all just noise. Abyss apparently has enough orders that they don't care about all this anyway. That tells you they must be doing something (or many things) right!

[TJ_Foxx]

Some of us don’t have issues with communication; we’re just more patient. Terrible feedback & communication? Well, if you only read certain posts you might think that. As for their value, if you haven’t compared them side by side, in person it’s difficult to make statements about cost/value that are substantive. If you’ve decided these aren’t dolls for you, that’s fine. One thing you won’t see are RD owners like myself, Brick & others going to other companies threads and telling everyone what we don’t like or why the dolls by that company aren’t attractive or worth the price. For some reason people who have no experience with these dolls feel the need to stop in and add their negativity.

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