Range of Movement Question

[steveb]

Just caught up - glad your getting there Inkling.

Inkling wrote

if RDoll could have knees up to chest as pictured, then there would be no problem in the first place

I have no problem with Samantha doing this. I usually hold her legs up, kneel with legs either side of her, spread her legs and enter her. I can then straighten my legs whilst supported on hands/elbows with her legs either side of my head resting on my shoulders. Maybe the fact that Sam was not specified with stiff joints helps.

Reminds me of a bit of Monty Python.

The gentleman rest his left thigh on the revolving table whilst the lady with melon switches on the battery ...

[Bill]

Inkling,
Yes, her right leg. The doll is on her back and you will be on your right side. The swing works best with real women because it is a bitch getting a doll on one and you risk damage.

[Inkling]

her right leg raised high enough for you to slip your right leg under it and your left leg over it in a scissor.

> That would leave me facing her right with my penis bumping her right thigh.

Her left leg, bent at the knee, goes over your waist.

> She can't do this.

Look - I'm sorry Bill - I'm not criticizing and I'm not making a joke. Um, I'll think a bit about a bunch of scissor positions but I don't know what you are describing, or what you are describing can't be done between me and Darlene. Thank you for trying.

[Bill]

Sorry Ink, I'm not very good at putting it into words.

[George66]

This has all been discussed before.

Where?

Give up on the missionary position....it doesn't even work that well with real women because they are not designed to have sex that way. It forces their butt down into the mattress making access difficult.

I don't want to be controversial but I've just had a long chat with Debra on this subject this evening and she doesn't think that there's any problem with the missionary position at all.

Sorry Ink, I'm not very good at putting it into words.

Nor is anybody else. We need pictures not words. I can't stand all this confusion. I'm now going to copy "The Movie" onto DVD in the hope that I will be able to freeze-frame some helpful images that I will be able to photograph and post for everybody's edification.

Jeez! Am I glad that I've postponed my order and am going to visit Abyss before I complete it.

[Mike Johnson]

Geez - the things I do for my fellow Realdoll owners!

I had sex with Jazzi today just SO I could help with this thread. I also took some pics (95% of my pics are done this way) just prior to me having sex with her.

Once again, I'm just an average guy, I'm not a silicone pro in anyway.

OK - on with the doll. I put Jazzi on the bed dressed for sex (pink stripped bikini ) and put a porn movie in the VCR for some sound.

Jazzi's legs were elevated at the knee slightly with pillows about 6" off the bed. Her legs were spread about 160 degrees apart. With a well-lubricated (ID lube) penis I slid in just fine.

http://www.dollalbum.com/php-cgi/gallery/albun07/abj

I only use the missionary position with Jazzi - the body 5's anus is easily used from the front (missionary) position.

Realdolls are supposed to simulate sex with a beautiful gal. I have a beautiful 28 year old flight attendant girl friend and sex with her is EXACTLY the same as sex with a Realdoll.

Moving holes around etc. would ruin this effect completely. However, some men have trouble with missionary position with a gal too. I knew a guy who was really large (as in weight) he had a very thin wife so the only way he could have sex with his wife was her on top with him lying down on the bed.

I myself do not have a problem maintaining an erection with a Realdoll during sex, in fact I get real excited getting the doll ready for sex, putting on the make-up and an outfit is kind of like foreplay to me (for some, viagra fixes this problem).

Many owners report a learning curve with both a Realdoll AND a Venus2000 - however, once they learn how to use them, the sex with both is very good.

I like the fact that an RD looks and feels exactly like a gal, as a simulation of great sex, it can't be beat.

So to recap:

1) Elevate the knees slightly with pillows after placing the doll on a soft surface like a bed.

2) Place the legs about 160 degrees apart for easy entrance.

3) With a well-lubbed penis, carefully insert yourself into the doll.

4) Finally, don't be afraid to put on your favorite porn movie for increased stimulation.

[mytime]

Hi Bill, Mike,

That pictures... although that with that robot like dolls of Bill look very funny ... hmm first robot sex!... that's a very good way explaining things.
Now everybody can do this I think. Is really helpful. Although interesting in the problem of Inkling I tried with Tera wat Bill described, but I could not make up that he meant this and ended up with the conclusin that it was *impossible*? In one picture you see it isn't ... hmm Tera... are you ready for a good fuck?!?

Mytime

PS: after it...
It seems to be great for Realdoll but Bills sex position probably doesn't work for inflatables. For the lack of knees and hips that can really bend, they can't move their legs easily enough seems, according my experience.

[George66]

Geez - the things I do for my fellow Realdoll owners!

Thanks Mike,

I think you've solved it. You've answered Ink's question about how far the legs spread: 160 degrees which is enough for most of us!!

I won't bother to post the "Movie" pics unless anybody really wants to see them, but unlike My's impression, they show that the vaginal orifice on a Realdoll is FURTHER forward than on a real woman.

And if you've got a pillow slippage problem then use suitably designed bean-bags, and if that doesn't work, then velcro them to a suitably tailored bottom sheet, and if that doesn't work then build a suitably designed cradle.

[Inkling]

Sorry Ink, I'm not very good at putting it into words.

Oh wow, thank, Bill!
Now I understand it wasn't your directions. I just was not imagining man's head in that direction. I was still thinking of some variation of missionary. Okay.

[Inkling]

George:
I don't want to be controversial but I've just had a long chat with Debra on this subject this evening and she doesn't think that there's any problem with the missionary position at all.
Inkling: She is a woman...

Mike Kelly: I had sex with Jazzi today just SO I could help with this thread.

Inkling: Your painful sacrifice of a portion of your life and limb are greatly appreciated.

Okay, I was going with less than 140 - I think I had been trying 120 degrees.
Okay - real good idea. I tried pillows everywhere except under the knees the way you had them under the knees. Um, I think I would also need two pillows under the butt.
<i><b>Thanks, Mike!</i></b>

Oh, and I agree with last post George made.

As far as erection goes:
Get erection. Lift and move twice, reposition a couple times each move, lose it. Um, well, to make a long story short, most things looked workable until trying them. Problem was after 4 moves, then 3 moves. Then next day 3 moves, 3 moves. Then next day 2.
To be more clear, I didn't know what would work and things would never be set up quite right ahead of time.

<b>Important</b>:
I will not disclosed names nor content of PMs, but suffice it to say:
Between posts and a handful of people who sent me PM(s), I think this thread has been very useful, and I was not the only one having problems in this area.
I did not know RDoll normally had creaking joints, and original question was degree of movement. I was concerned with moving legs more than 120 degrees.
<i>So the answer finally is...</i> - drum roll -<br><b><i>140 degrees!</i></b><br>Hats off to Mike!

[George66]

She is a woman...

True, but was right just the same, for getting her information from Matt's satisfied customers, like Mike, who's response is going into my list of expert replies to FAQ's.

[mytime]

Hi George 66

I can only agree with you.
The fact that the doll IS able to do missionary with the legs spread, IMO it makes her a realistic doll.
I think it's good that it's discussed here and that RD owners posted here.
Its now clear for every RD owner.
IMO its always good such discussion for the following reason: Maybe some RD owners that were coping with the same problem as Inkling were now more happy with their doll because they now know how to use the doll if they wants missionairy sex.

Mytime

[Inkling]

Last time I had sex with Darlene, things were a lot better.
Pillow on either side of knees was good advice.
I worked it out and now joints did not creak at all.
Also, after a few times, the vagina no longer pushes your penis out. However, I start with what I call a wheelbarrel.
Two pillows under her butt, one under her back, one under her head, and one on either side of her knees. Vagina must be edge of the two pillows.

Lift legs so one is either side of your chest. She is laying on her back facing you but her body is in like a sitting position. This allows full view of body and incredibly good ... I've not felt a woman who felt like that in years. Well, I don't want to go on...

Approaching the big O, put down her legs and finish off in missionary. 140 degree info and idea of pillow either side of knees helps.

[Everhard]

That's about how I do it with Rebecca, who is a body 4: Pillows flanking* her knees, ankles on the edge of the bed, pillows under her butt, and ideally something to stop her sliding up the bed.

It seems to me that real women are much better at sex than realdolls, but realdolls have other advantages.

* I like a bit of flanking...

[Nada]

Last time I had sex with Darlene, things were a lot better.
Pillow on either side of knees was good advice.
I worked it out and now joints did not creak at all.
Also, after a few times, the vagina no longer pushes your penis out. However, I start with what I call a wheelbarrel.
Two pillows under her butt, one under her back, one under her head, and one on either side of her knees. Vagina must be edge of the two pillows.

Lift legs so one is either side of your chest. She is laying on her back facing you but her body is in like a sitting position. This allows full view of body and incredibly good ... I've not felt a woman who felt like that in years. Well, I don't want to go on...

Approaching the big O, put down her legs and finish off in missionary. 140 degree info and idea of pillow either side of knees helps.

(Hello Inkling... I don't usually bother RD Folks with my silly ideas, anymore... I, simply, figure that you have more then enough RD Doll Masters for that.)

But, I do like your idea for almost any SLD, Silicone Love Doll... And it sounds like a fairly interactive and enjoyable experience...

(But now for my Nada Noise... Sorry.)

Simply imagine a totally water-proof doll couch or a "Love Wheel Barrow" like your design outlines, above, being produced by RD or SB or whom-ever???

And when the back of this Wheel-Barrow is designed, maybe they could try and include a very safe and enjoyable "Doggie Position" for a doll...

One critical "bottom line" thought would be providing the "correct position" to be used to store a silicone doll, horizontally, for a certain limited duration...

And,,, if they are really SLICK, this same soft mini-couch could be used during her transport to you.

(Heck... Any one of these minor thoughts might improve over-all sales?)

And, of course, like all good designs, compensating for various doll widths and heights would have to be considered with minor expansion-pieces.)


... Jim Nada...
(Sorry to have bothered your discussion... But, this seems like a very "Needed Idea", to me, for ALL dolls and especially for new owners.)