The Doll Forum

TakersRose wrote:In general, I think cost plays a part in why a big majority of people are opposed to love dolls. The reason being, doll owners could theoretically be spending the money we spend on dolls on other things that detractors see as more 'reasonable' or 'productive' things. These detractors likely see dates or significant others being the most productive things.

I think it's because people are socially pushed to "Marry and Reproduce"
i.e. Maintain the birthrate. Most modern counties have birth rates less than replacement.
But marriage and family law has been broken to the point people don't want to have children anymore.
That along with economic problems coupled with unreasonably high expectations.
Some people think they can just give people a little shove back into the meat grinder and things will be ok.

I was wondering Takersrose whether it is partly the appeal that the dolls don't speak that makes them attractive. If you were given the choice of a doll with AI that could speak and interact with your conversation would you prefer her or one of your current dolls? Just curious.

ningyobingo wrote:

TakersRose wrote:In general, I think cost plays a part in why a big majority of people are opposed to love dolls. The reason being, doll owners could theoretically be spending the money we spend on dolls on other things that detractors see as more 'reasonable' or 'productive' things. These detractors likely see dates or significant others being the most productive things.

I think it's because people are socially pushed to "Marry and Reproduce"
i.e. Maintain the birthrate. Most modern counties have birth rates less than replacement.
But marriage and family law has been broken to the point people don't want to have children anymore.
That along with economic problems coupled with unreasonably high expectations.
Some people think they can just give people a little shove back into the meat grinder and things will be ok.

+1^

Even if i didnt have problems that make a relationship next to impossible, i STILL wouldnt want to get married again or have kids,mainly for economic reasons and the crazy expectations! hell with that!

Lobo wrote:I was wondering Takersrose whether it is partly the appeal that the dolls don't speak that makes them attractive. If you were given the choice of a doll with AI that could speak and interact with your conversation would you prefer her or one of your current dolls? Just curious.

Ive thought about this too Lobo. Me personally, id love to have a doll i can talk with and interact with, but mind you thats just me personally, to each their own. I think the appeal may depend on ones circumstances?

ningyobingo wrote: I think it's because people are socially pushed to "Marry and Reproduce"
i.e. Maintain the birthrate. Most modern counties have birth rates less than replacement.
But marriage and family law has been broken to the point people don't want to have children anymore.
That along with economic problems coupled with unreasonably high expectations.
Some people think they can just give people a little shove back into the meat grinder and things will be ok.

This opens up a whole new can of worms. If more people were conditioned to enjoy doll sex and had access to high end dolls, 99% of the current world's problems would go away within a generation or two.

Maybe the US should be dropping Realdolls on ISIS rather than bombs. If the US drops exactly 72 Realdolls, ISIS might even think they're already in heaven. And Realdolls are much cheaper than bombs and missiles.

Lobo wrote:I was wondering Takersrose whether it is partly the appeal that the dolls don't speak that makes them attractive. If you were given the choice of a doll with AI that could speak and interact with your conversation would you prefer her or one of your current dolls? Just curious.

I'd love to have a doll that could talk back and hold a conversation. Such a doll would actually be the perfect companion for me. I'm just not wired to have a relationship with a real person.

Back on topic= Cost has a lot to do with the aversion some people have to love dolls. Just like people who have an aversion to any luxury item and lets face it, our love dolls are luxury items. I've heard people balk at the cost of sports cars, televisions that take up an entire wall and jewelry that has a four digit price tag. The only difference is that a love doll has sexual connotations. Whether the owner uses the doll for the intended purpose or not. We've been taught to be ashamed of sex and all things that come with it.

HighZenBerg wrote: This opens up a whole new can of worms. If more people were conditioned to enjoy doll sex and had access to high end dolls, 99% of the current world's problems would go away within a generation or two.

Maybe the US should be dropping Realdolls on ISIS rather than bombs. If the US drops exactly 72 Realdolls, ISIS might even think they're already in heaven. And Realdolls are much cheaper than bombs and missiles.

Ha, yeah. Free Real Dolls would be the ultimate depopulation agenda.

Maybe the US should be dropping Realdolls on ISIS rather than bombs. If the US drops exactly 72 Realdolls, ISIS might even think they're already in heaven. And Realdolls are much cheaper than bombs and missiles.[/quote]

I think the problem with giving real dolls to ISIS is that strict muslims won't tolerate any lifelike creation because only Allah can do that. Nice idea though. I wonder how many dolls are sold to the middle east? It has been said that the reason there are so many teenage suicide bombers because they figure they won't get any sex on earth for a long time so paradise is a better bet. Anyway back on topic I was reading today how many men in latin America lose their virginity at brothels which makes sense when a high price is put on girls being virgins at marriage which supports my original posts that the widespread use of real dolls is a threat to the value of female sex so most women are not going to like love dolls no matter what price they are because at a higher price they are still competition but the outcry will increase against them if the price comes down and they become more accepted by the mainstream (mainly men)

Lobo

If there was a sharp spike in Realdoll/high end sex doll sales and they were mostly accepted in society, I don't see it having any detrimental consequences on the earth's population, which is over 7 billion now and growing at a staggering rate. There are more than twice the amount of people on the earth than just since 1970. Eventually there's not going to be enough food and clean water for everyone.

There's lots of posts by members on this forum expressing that they do not wish to have children, but there are many men that do. Men have paternal instincts as woman have maternal instincts, maybe not to the same degree as women, but still enough that it will not lead to the end of the human race.

It would probably lead to a shift in the dating pool resulting in more single women looking for mates than the other way around. There would be more men having relationships with more than one woman at a time, more casual encounters, and more women accepting to be in a relationship with a man who has a doll. If a woman wants to get pregnant, aside from not being able to medically, she can still get pregnant. Even if every man in the world had a Realdoll a woman could still find some guy somewhere who would have sex with her, and with that failing there's always artificial insemination.

The idea that sex doll/androids leading to the dying out of the human race is science fiction stuff. BTW has that been done? Imagine a movie, taking place a hundred years in the future, where the last few people on earth are walking around a deserted New York City devising a plan to go back in time and kill Matt McMullen as a child.

Probably at most it would curb the birthrate a little bit, and that would be a good thing. If the earth's population doesn't stabilize things are going to be really bad.

Im fascinated by this entire thread, and I think the doll community will be the foundation for whatever technology brings next. As a society we still have way too many hangups about sex. Society doesnt think its sad when theres a robot seal costing thousands of dollars used to keep people company. A doll seems not so different, it has a sexual function because guys have needs, but seems overall very different than a crude blow up doll thats primarily for sex.

I hope that if there is a demand for more affordable TPE dolls that more will be made and more guys will get them, and hopefully there will be more positive portrayals of doll owners in TV shows and documentaries. If it becomes much more common, its less geeky. Early adopters always pay more and always get seen as geeky, but without them, there wouldn't be rapid technological progress. Id like to think that once theres some degree of interactivity and conversation in dolls, and they're a lot more common, itll be a bit more casual to be in a relationship with one.

TP876 wrote:
The idea that sex doll/androids leading to the dying out of the human race is science fiction stuff. BTW has that been done? Imagine a movie, taking place a hundred years in the future, where the last few people on earth are walking around a deserted New York City devising a plan to go back in time and kill Matt McMullen as a child.

Probably at most it would curb the birthrate a little bit, and that would be a good thing. If the earth's population doesn't stabilize things are going to be really bad.

Tybalt wrote:I am sorry, all i have are very negative ideas.

Cue Mad Max opening...

Cue deep raspy movie anouncer voice:
"In a world where men are thought to be extinct from Gynocentric society. There is only one man left who has a dick and balls full of seeds ready to impregnate all the bitchy women, but he would rather fuck a doll then go any where near theses vicious meat eating vixens. The extreme womens rights movement wants to hunt this man down, kill him to prevent and end rape and violence towards women for good, the anti feminist scientists have enough smarts to pursue the last man on earth and extract his gene seed to save humanity. Sterile men want to find and kill him for having balls."

Window shatters to reveal a short and fat chubby man humping a doll...

Announcer, "Staring Danny Devito as the last hope for humanity"

Devitto, "Hey what the fuck!? you broke my window! "

feminist storm troopers toss in smoke grenades. "Stop Raping her!"

Devitto, "Dafuq is going on here? Cant a man hump his doll in peace?"

A fembot built by the Women Scientists to escort him to the lab kicks down a door, "Cum with me if u want to live!"

The fembot grabs him by the hand and Devitto drags his doll with him still mounted on his dick. They run to the back door.

A sterile man sent from the future played by Arnorld Schwarzenegger emerges from the shadows to fire a make shift grenade at the fembot, "Cum with me if you want to live!"

Devitto, "Eww...no...I aint gay!"

The fembot and Devitto barely escapes the explosion a la slow motion sequence.

They fall to the ground.
Devitto, "Fuck me...I did not buy home owners insurance! "

roll montage of high explosive action scenes.

Announcer, "Cumming in a doll near you, Danny Devitto is...The Impregnator."

Maybe the cost of the doll does help to create the stigma .. and I believe the cost needs to be much lower for greater acceptance for more mainstream ownership. A price point of $200 is probably about as high of a price that would be universally accepted. This is capable in the Plush category if mass produced .. reference the Vermont Teddy Bears price point http://www.vermontteddybear.com/gift-fi ... -love.aspx

It would be interesting to see if a "equal quality" six foot Human form plush was available ... verses the 6' Giant Hunka Love Bear .. how many Humans plushies would sell .. who knows?

And as always, there is the niche market that would command a higher price.. examples; TPE and silicone dolls.

Since I saw this topic, I've been doing a lot of thinking about this. Like anything else in the world I think there will always be the 'sensible' and the Cadillac of anything that's put on the market. Even with Barbie dolls, there's the 7.99(USD) mass produced models that you can get at Toys R Us and then there's the Black Label collectible models that sell anywhere from 100 to 500(USD) and up that are only obtained from specialty sources.

One thing that I think would help mainstream audiences understand our attraction to love dolls, is why the cost of the high end brands is so much. A lot of people don't understand the cost of silicone and the cost of the materials to make the internal skeletons and so on. Until I started to try and make my own dolls, I never understood myself. That's just a thought.

r363b wrote: It would be interesting to see if a "equal quality" six foot Human form plush was available ... how many Humans plushies would sell ..

Hmm, indeed. Well, 5'5" anyhow... @ $950.00 + S/H
And what's more is that what started off as a need to fulfill some basic desires grew into a way to evolve positively as a person and decrease chemical dependencies.

Also, I think that the bias(stigma) is mostly within the members of this very community; there's far more 'to-do-about-nothing' here and other like forums, than anywhere else.

Cost and stigma seems of internal generation. Reason and stigma, very much outside this community. And as so that it is objective without the layout and analysis of articles and reports, that's what I've seen.

& - Thank you Freeman! . I appreciate the verve of your sentiment.

It's just not popular now and kinda rare...so it's seen as weird and odd.

15 years ago online dating was seen as weird...actually, even 10 years ago. I woulda never told someone I found a girl online 10 years ago. But now about half of all 20-30 year olds are probably on Tinder and/or POF and I would have no problem telling my friends that i have a Tinder or POF date. Me and my friends discuss our Tinder and POF strategies actually. That never woulda happened 10 years ago.