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Muninn wrote:I'd be quite worried, that in the event I wanted a replacement head for Lynne, would I get an invite to a "meeting without tea and biscuits" by Border Force? My entire doll got through with no problems, I'm guessing any inspection would show her to be a small chested, but acceptable adult, yet the head alone could be dodgy?
I suspect that it has quite a lot to do with who is the actual importer of record. Sometimes BF may chance it with seizures if they think it's just an individual who doesn't know how to fight them, on the other hand if it's somone with experience who they know will challenge them they'll let the item through unless it's clearly illegal. If you go through someone like The Doll House or Lovedoll UK I don't think you would have a problem.

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Well, I've read almost every post in the thread and I completely understand TDF's position and rules.

I am a bit sad at the moment because I think some of my planned photo shoots from 'the seduction of Melissa' will not be acceptable due to 2 reasons. 1) I probably have Sanhui's 2 youngest faces for 156+ (Amelia, and Marya), and 2) I'm going to FAIL the 'presentation' part. My plan is to chronicle 2 young women falling in love and this means the scenes in the beginning will be really immature as its two 19 year old girls just having fun together, being silly, etc. The 1st shoot planned is night 1, and they're going to do a slumber party, scary movie thing. Wearing pink pajama bottoms and bras. You get the idea.

I will pm Anung before posting anything.

As things get heated between them they will dress and act more mature. Those should be fine, but I really wanted a stark contrast between the beginning and end.

EDIT: I don't want to derail this thread so please pm with questions about my planned shoots. I just wanted to state a real example of something that wouldv'e been a very welcome post just last year, and now it's (possibly) forbidden.
-Melissa: 2017 Sanhui 156/Amelia
-Abby: 2018 Sanhui 158/Marya

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Forb wrote:My plan is to chronicle 2 young women falling in love and this means the scenes in the beginning will be really immature as its two 19 year old girls just having fun together, being silly, etc. The 1st shoot planned is night 1, and they're going to do a slumber party, scary movie thing. Wearing pink pajama bottoms and bras. You get the idea.
Hi Forb,

If you think about it, 19 year olds don't really have slumber parties in pajamas watching scary movies. That's 14-15 year old stuff and even then, pajamas are optional with jeans and t-shirts.

When I was a teenager in the 1990s, even high school aged(15-18yo) girls didn't have innocent slumber parties, they spent the night at parties, but those were beer and weed parties, scary movies might be on in the background while they made out with their boyfriends.

So, I think if you want to portray 19 year olds realistically, you probably wouldn't need pajamas anyhow. I think 19 you know, is a college freshman, sort of a novice adult. Sorority parties, pool parties, sneaking into a bar, going on a joyride with beer in the car, these are things 19 year olds do.

Just my thoughts reading your post... :wink:

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I think just to be safe to everyone, we should just say men shouldn't be playing with any kind of dolls full stop because it's not the "adult" thing to do. Ban all doll manufacturers who don't make their dolls with hideously large breasts than not even real women have, then prosecute anyone who does buy one of these dolls because it's degrading to women!

Good grief.

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Please read this thread before posting. On-topic is age estimation.

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Off topic posts have been removed.

Per the OP:
In depth discussion on age estimation:
If you wish to discuss this topic please keep it orderly. We do not want any member disputes as to how old any specific doll looks. Any links to sites that would be helpful in evaluating representative ages would be welcome and TDF Management is happy to answer any questions if qualified to do so.

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Recently checked Amazon and it appears they no longer offer small dolls. Also
in the US HR4655 Creeper bill passed the House and went to the Senate, so just keep aware of what is happening. The Nanny government is alive and kickin'.

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The US HR4655 Creeper bill only applies to child dolls and robots. I highly suspect the same difficulty will be found determining age estimation as the sex doll experts operating this forum have encountered. Use good judgment, abide by the simple forum rules and ask questions of the experts operating this forum when in doubt. It's that simple.
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SNIP:
violette_22 wrote: I highly suspect the same difficulty will be found determining age estimation as the sex doll experts operating this forum have encountered.
That's my worry. That ANY doll under 5' that's an A cup will be considered childlike in .Gov's eyes.
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rubherkitty wrote:SNIP:
violette_22 wrote: I highly suspect the same difficulty will be found determining age estimation as the sex doll experts operating this forum have encountered.
That's my worry. That ANY doll under 5' that's an A cup will be considered childlike in .Gov's eyes.
You should be worried. Based on the ones that were caught in customs (news pics), they didn't care about A cup or C cup, it was the size and (I'm guessing) the head proportion like original post's image. This will affect many of us and if you're ever confronted by a police/custom, be ready to prove that you're not a pedophile (which would be exposing your internet privacy) and argue that it was solely due to the weight of the doll and the affordable pricing.

And if anyone has a doubt (that they might be a pedo), I read an article countering creeper act by allowing these kinds of dolls to those who are in need of help (that were consulted by doctors). They're proven to be safer for children, so might as well talk to your doctor straight. They'll figure something out for you.

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All this makes me want to get rid of Bella(avatar), my 140CM tanned girl who is only 4'-7" and an A cup. I did indeed get her due to her weight believing I could heft 50 pounds better than 80-100. She's shorter by 6-8 inches than I would have liked but the weight with a spinal column fracture is much easier to move than my 160CM 85 pounder.

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ColColt wrote: SNIP: All this makes me want to get rid of Bella
If you already have the doll and enjoy her, I wouldn't worry about it.
.Gov will have to abolish the 2nd Amendment, before they can abolish small doll ownership.
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Bills like this have little chance in the Senate and come under much deeper scrutiny. They don't take care of important business I doubt they will even consider this. After all the House just voted
to send it on to get rid of it. So many bills go into the black hole of the congress and never see the light of day. Most likely will get sent back for clarification.

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Yes, I woudlnt worry about it too much for now.

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In Canada, this has already been seen as an issue.

Here some articles:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 78321.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfound ... -1.4194975
http://www.thetelegram.com/news/local/i ... ld-154848/
https://ipolitics.ca/2017/03/09/the-sex ... -porn-law/

Basically, in Canada, if you buy a Love Doll, you got to be able to prove that it's not a replication of a child or teenager's body.

In that trial, many points were explained as being the cause as to why the man was charged four charges: one count each of possessing child pornography and mailing obscene matter, and charges under the federal customs act of smuggling and possessing prohibited goods. One of those point is the height of the doll which has be changed over the course of the case. Initially, it was written as 5' tall, then the officer spoke of 4'. In the end, it was 4'7" when they finally decided to open the box again behind closed doors. The look of the doll isn't described, but it comes from Japan so we can guess that it's relatively "young looking" by nature of the Japanese standards.

There's also the issue that the crown is using only 1 expertise as a source to determine if the doll is too "young looking".
It's still going on today as I write this... after over 2 years of issues with the case. (In this case, you could think that the crown doesn't let go because, 1, it's creates an antecedent and, 2, because they have already invested quite a lot of money in the case and doesn't want to be laughed at.)

This bring the potential issue where the aesthetics side of the doll heavily influence if it's accepted or not.
This is one of the biggest fear I had when I was shopping for my first (upcoming) doll. I had to make a choice based on way too many parts and it's quite disturbing and scary. Is the face to "young looking"? Is the body alike to a teenager or a young adult? Is the height too small? Etc.

In my case, this is the Doll I have chosen:
https://www.mysiliconelovedoll.com/japa ... l-miranda/
The age is set to 20 which is legal in Canada. In fact, you could say that the age is 20-30 easily, meaning fully developed, but without any birth such as the larger hips you find in the MILF kind of doll. I requested a change for B-Cup instead of D-Cup (which was accepted) and, in Canada, the average is set estimated at C-Cup. Note that we're talking about doll Cup, meaning you could say that it's not a "real" B-Cup, but more like a semi firm B-Cup, almost C-Cup. My ex was a B-Cup for the sake of it so, to me, I got plenty of examples and proof that I see B-Cup as something on an Adult.
The head is Japanese, meaning there's a deviation from the North American standards. Still, if I had to proof that this is not a child face, I can simply bring picture such as these ones:
Toda Erika which is 28 years old. Her height is 1.63m.
Horikita Maki which is also also also 28 years old. Her height is 1.6m.

The average woman height in Japan is 158.8 cm. This means the doll I have chosen is 10cm below the average. This is the main issue I can see with her, in a legal sens, if we check the average height by age in Japan. 148 cm is a bit short for today's standards. 148cm is the average height of a 12 years old Japanese girls. With that said, if we look back, 148cm was the actual average of Japanese women about an hundred years ago (in the early 1910's). In fact, 149cm is the average height of Japanese women over 75 years old. That gives an idea that 148cm is short without any question, but it's not that rare in the Japanese people around 30 and 40. It's mostly the part of the Japanese people that allows the new generation (which is taller in nature) to drop the average.

This is a visual representation of the difference in height:
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Left is obviously me at 5'10"(176cm), middle is the doll at 4'10"(148cm) and right is an average Japanese woman at 5'2" (158cm).

If you look around on the web, you can easily find picture of adult couple where the head of the woman barely exceed the man's shoulder. (Just google Couple height difference) In fact, we, men, can be genetically inclined toward shorter women because of our genetically nature as "family protectors". Smaller women are easier to transport in case of crisis. They are easier to protect in case of danger. In my case, I also bought a doll because of my need to coddle on top of the additional benefits that comes with it so the smaller height is actually a benefit in my case. As I'm living alone, it's also a form of a present that will help me structure my life in a more structured way. (It's similar to having a pet or having a hobby which takes a small bit of your time every or most days. It helps us to disconnect from the stuff that overly fill our every day's life.)

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