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I realy do like the idea. But please leave it to the uk. There is no real problem to import any doll to rest of europe.

No Problem,

My intentions were primarily for the UK, and only to expand it if required elsewhere.

Without asking numbers. One must realize there's a method to the madness. Dollars or in this case pounds. They don't need prosecutions. They merely need to make it costly enough to make sellers think twice before dealing in what is considered obscene. A lawyer, solicitor, shark whatever term is in use comes at a cost whether it goes to court or not. You still have to pay them all during the "investigative" stage. So how does a business deal with it. They either raise their prices to offset outlay. Make less money and stay competitive or find alternative products to market. So glad ya done with the ordeal for the moment but sadly they did win. It's cost monies it shouldn't have and you've had to remove sellable items from the shelves. And for those thinking go after them for malicious prosecution. Don't bother. The cost factors alone would be astronomical and I have no doubt they have their ducks in a row. Grounds so to speak, to do the investigation to begin with. That's all they need. Sad, sad situation all the way around.

Just been reading through this thread and just wanted to add my congratulations and best wishes to Phil at The Doll House.

I had no idea the importing of dolls could be such a risky business!

I've always known they were a controversial subject and widely frowned upon, outside of communities like this one, but to have your business turned over like that by the authorities...just wow...

Mind you, it doesn't surprise me one bit that they'd lump doll lovers and kiddie fiddlers together under the same umbrella. Typical government thinking.

Thank you for going through this on behalf of...well, I guess all buyers and vendors. Hope you're fully vindicated in the end.

Am a little worried now as I recently placed an order for a 153cm doll. I know thats a bit on the small side...though not what you'd definitely call child-sized.

Hi ScrubLord,

Thanks for the support.

Your 153cm doll should be fine.
If you ordered through us - we have one going through Customs now, and we do not expect any issues with a doll of that height.

We are here if you have any questions

Hi Scublord, I've got several dolls including 3 x YL148's and 1 X WM145. They are always on display in my home, they go out in the garden when the weather's better and anyone visiting my home sees them. Nobody could see them as anything other than what they are, even the most rabid anti doll person would still have to begrudgingly accept that they are beautiful, very curvy, synthetic ladies that probably look like they are in their early twenties. I do often have them in DM's or thick sole shoes which takes them up to 5' and of course they are always dressed in adult clothing (you learn how and where to get stuff that fits, Primark have loads of stuff in size 4). So your WM153 will be fine, if you check out my 'Arthurs adorable lovelies' thread you will see Helena (YL148) next to Celeste Elise (OR167), I don't think she looks particularly short, even next to her taller sister and believe me, there's nothing 'child like' about the YL148 which is why I have 3! As you acknowledged, we are lucky that people like Phil are blazing a bit of a trail with this issue.

I order and sell items from and to UK for some years now and I guess I would rather benefit (financially) from hard Brexit if UK will leave the EU.
I wish you would stay in the EU, but to make it short, I think banning dolls (whatever they look like) is George Orwell 1984 thoughtcrime and thought police coming true, even if it's not the thought of the people who ordered a doll.
So I hope you will keep the campaign located in the UK to not spread stupid ideas of your politicians to other countries and continents which will harm other doll owners and people who would like to own any kind of dolls, like they were allowed all the time before.

Apply that to gun owners. Confiscate all weapons including knives. Because the intent to shoot or stab someone. The intent to rob. The intent to protect oneself and family. The intent to fight invading forces. The intent to fight tyranny.

As much effort they are putting into this, I hope they are doing just as much, if not more to destroy the sex slave/trafficking business. Yet I am hearing nothing about it, not one ring nor organization has been busted.
What's wrong with this picture, they know who they are. The wealthy (aka the elite) spends 10's if not hundreds of thousands of dollars, to steal the innocents. Fact or fiction?

Pron wrote:I order and sell items from and to UK for some years now and I guess I would rather benefit (financially) from hard Brexit if UK will leave the EU.
I wish you would stay in the EU, but to make it short, I think banning dolls (whatever they look like) is George Orwell 1984 thoughtcrime and thought police coming true, even if it's not the thought of the people who ordered a doll.
So I hope you will keep the campaign located in the UK to not spread stupid ideas of your politicians to other countries and continents which will harm other doll owners and people who would like to own any kind of dolls, like they were allowed all the time before.

This thread is not about guns, not about Brexit. Please stay on-topic and please don't derail this thread by going politik.

Nescio50 wrote:This thread is not about guns, not about Brexit. Please stay on-topic and please don't derail this thread by going politik.

Agreed, best I could say is, sorry for your troubles (The-Doll-House) may you continue to prevail.


Cheers

Hi Justforfun2,

Many thanks for the support.
I know what you meant - I am with you.

Nescio50 wrote:This thread is not about guns, not about Brexit. Please stay on-topic and please don't derail this thread by going politik.

Unfortunately for me, I cannot discuss work arounds to avoid egregious government regulations without somehow thinking the government is responsible. The comparisons to previous legislation by the government in question, i.e. gun and knife laws, seems fairly apt as a comparative example.

If the seizure of goods at point of import is capable of reducing harm, then they should be pursued. Drugs and sex slaves should be intercepted and dealt with. Imported Chinese toys should only be prohibited if they contain carcinogenic paint or lead.

As an addendum,

The NCA finally dropped by yesterday to drop off all aforementioned electronic equipment, and:

• 1 x WM 136cm Doll with 2 heads
• 1 x YL 135cm With Head #8
• 1 x YL 128cm body only

So the UK police/NCA are not interested in dolls! Else there would have been something of a case here (if height is the defining characteristic).
So plainly, the fact that you are into dolls, is taken as an indicator that you are likely to be attracted to children/under-age teens.
Hence the investigation (and ultimately, return) of our equipment, and had there been anything illicit on the equipment, you can bet that there would have been a case raised with the Crown Prosecution Service, and the media would have been all over the fact that I am doll vendor, and the headline would have been "Child sex doll vendor arrested by the NCA!"

So hopefully this will put some people's minds at rest over the whole doll height thing.

On a related note, it seems that UK Customs are not working to the same mandate as the UK NCA, and they are seizing dolls still, that they deem to be of a potential non-adult appearance, on the basis that there have been convictions over this historically.

Maybe it is just me, but I see a disconnect here, between the authorities and legislation/logical fact.
Once we achieve Brexit, maybe we will be able to encourage the houses of Commons & Lords to have a hearing on this, and then we will all know where we stand.

NB. I haven't heard anything from the NCA about any further meetings to discuss the business - as was intially brought up.

If there is any further news, I will report it here.

sdl44 wrote:If they opened the box and see a picture like the one below, that's what they will look for.

PHOWAAAR That's what I'm looking for!

I'm not sure if this is on topic, but it is related;

About a year and a half ago I was looking at ordering a 140cm doll from a Chinese vendor to be shipped to Sweden (EU). I had heard rumours about potential child-pornography cases and that the police could give me trouble, so I decided to send them an email and ask.

The reply I got at first was very short and impolite, as if the representative disagreed about the whole thing; they basically told me to check with Customs, as it was their job, not the police's. So I did, and got the exact opposite reply; I had to check with the Police, as it was their job.

Fair enough, I sent another email to the police, explaining the situation and what I needed the doll for (a couple of stop-motion scenes in an independent music video - nothing sex related, which was true in this case) and also that I could go with either size but the smaller ones would be less cumbersome and easier to deal with on set, etc. This time I got a rather long reply which basically said that the overall "look" of the doll is more important than it's size, but also that they could not guarantee anything as there were no documented rules available. From what I understood that means that a big doll with childish looks (flat chested, non-curvy body and childlike face, etc) would potentially be at risk, while a small but busty/curvy adult looking doll would be much less so.

I ended up ordering the 140cm doll with C-cups and a somewhat curvy body. The delivery went perfectly fine and I had no issues.

Just thought I'd share.