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RGC_0767 wrote:These air pockets in molding processes, are causing these companies great grief lately lol
What's following is my experience with many types of plastique and polymer which includes PTE.

There are so many possibilities where an air pocket can form with TPE that the only way to "kinda" make sure that there's none is to have some kind scan that goes through the doll. (Due to the metal frame, it can't be something like an X-Ray obviously.)

And since this kind of technology is still quite on the high-cost side of the market, it mostly only started to appear for dolls in high end studios.
(In those studios, the dolls are usually handmade in a way that allow the studio to scan each "part" after being processed for air bubbles and potential stiffness. It's a long hence costy process as it might add quite a bit of additional work if some pieces doesn't pass the tests.)

The way a piece is scanned is actually quite simple in principle. You put the piece in an heating room (or box) and you got heat detection camera on all sides. You record the whole thing as you slowly raise the temperature in the room. While the temperature changes, it doesn't take long to detect some variation (spots) in multiple cameras when there's an air bubble within the TPE as its temperature will shift differently than the PTE material.

Thermal cameras aren't hard to find nowadays, but ones that can film and scan at high resolution so that even a slight <1mm bubble can be seen if zoomed in and visually detected, that's where the cost is as well as the cost of energy and space to actually have an heating room. It also have to be able to record at, at least, 60 FPS for better quality controls.

As a matter of making things easier, one process of detecting air bubbles in TPEcould be even more efficient if the TPE is, initially, cooled (not frozen, I minds you). Remember that when cooled, air's molecules extend their links, making the air less dense (so bubble grow a bit in size). Then, if you heat it up, the air bobble will contract and become dense. This can help detecting "bigger" spots during the first 1/3 of the heating process while it's being recorded.

Note that, when I write about heating up the TPE, I don't mean at high temperature. You could say that you could notice, with the high sensible thermal camera, a visual change (spots) if you were to cool the doll parts to around 8-10 degrees Celsius (41F-50F) and, then raised the temperature to approx. 35 degrees Celsius (95F) at a time based on the equivalent to the time required for the most dense part of the part to change temperature (this value varies depending on the TPE used in the doll.) Just as the air bubble gets affected by the heat going through the TPE, there would be a slight variation in the temperature between the TPE and the air trapped. After that, watching the recorded videos in sync (showing all angle at the same time in the heating process) on slow-motion (2-3x slower, meaning around 20-30FPS) would display the aforementioned air bubbles as blurry spots.

In the case of what we have seen in the picture and how we all can guess it was most likely an air bubble in the TPE, my guess is that either there were no actual thermal checkup done on the doll in the inspection. As I have previously state, it's not rare since it's quite time consuming, requires some space for the heating room and can be quite costy with the high definition thermal camera required on all sides and all. Another thing that could have make this happen as fast as it did is if there's a major difference between the temperature of the room in which you got the doll and the temperature in which the doll was manufactured and checked.

As I have previously stated, air expand when heated up. If there was a tiny minuscule air bubble (less than 1mm) and, for a moment, the room where the doll is stored was a bit too hot, that air bubble would expand just a tiny bit, raising the tension of the TPE by quite a bit (if you consider the torsion created from moving the arm away from its "default" position).

To be honest, as a game developer who does both scripting and 3D modeling & animations, arms (and legs) animation in games is actually one huge hard thing in the process because "stretching" is something quite common and seen as normal. To allow as much movement without as much stretching, it's a common practice to make the 3D model with arms set in a T position.

Something like this:
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This is a lot easier to model (as it follows the X, Y and Z directions in 3D space) and allows the character, afterward, to raise the arms without stretching the underarms. The downside is that the biceps and shoulder area actually end up deformed when the arms are dropped. (That's a 3D thing.)

To counter that effect this is the "best" position when it comes to fight against stretching in 3D:
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This is the best pose to have the stretching extreme force as low as possible.

Since it's recommended to leave the doll in its factory position to avoid constant stretch of the TPE, I guess that the "stick" position of the doll is coming from that so that the owner of the doll doesn't have issues with the arms taking a bit too much space. It also helps for the delivery in a compact box.

Personally, if I were to make a recommendation to the factories and shops, I would recommend making the default position I have shown above. While, year, this means that the "stick" position would mean keeping a slight amount of torsion onto the doll's TPE, the amount is not that much if the density & elasticity of the TPE is well balanced.

As to make this reply an actual answer to the "Help" request of this topic... here's my 2 cents. :mrgreen:

For those who get such holes where glue and solvent doesn't really work due to the amount of stress being high in that zone, I could suggest the innovation of adding a bit more TPE while keeping the arm halfway toward the side. (Like 45 degrees toward the outside.) This means it's actually quite like a surgery operation where you now have to make a new armpit in the hole, but it would also means that, afterward, the armpit wouldn't have as much tension as it currently has.
The only downside to this operation would be that the arm would be slightly harder to bring into the "stick" factory position and there might be some creases if the armpit isn't correctly formed (as to fold onto itself).

If my upcoming Date does ends up with such a hole under her arm, I'll be certain to try my suggestion even through I don't really know how I would do it right now. (Gotta cross the bridge only at the bridge.)

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RGC_0767 wrote:TPE is very tight and under pressure in armpit area even if there is no molding defect from factory.
I guess it depends on the exact model. In many photos I've seen of different models of TPE doll from Jinsan, I've noticed a distinct open curve to the inner armpit area, so much that even with the arms straight down the rubber isn't pressing against itself.

I guess if you never powdered the armpit so they got extremely tacky to the point they were gooey, and then you pressed the arms tightly against her sides, and left it that way for a few days, and then pulled the arm outward, I could see some splitting taking place.

But unless something important is escaping me, nothing was mentioned about any ill-advised activities by Samuel leading up to this. It was suggested that it maybe started as a "bubble or fault", but it doesn't matter.. it wasn't Samuel's doing, the damaged was caused by something wrong in the product, no matter how small to begin with.

I'm just surprised is all, I'm not twisting anyone's arm to make a case of it.

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Seattle Slew wrote:
RGC_0767 wrote:TPE is very tight and under pressure in armpit area even if there is no molding defect from factory.
I guess it depends on the exact model. In many photos I've seen of different models of TPE doll from Jinsan, I've noticed a distinct open curve to the inner armpit area, so much that even with the arms straight down the rubber isn't pressing against itself.

I guess if you never powdered the armpit so they got extremely tacky to the point they were gooey, and then you pressed the arms tightly against her sides, and left it that way for a few days, and then pulled the arm outward, I could see some splitting taking place.

But unless something important is escaping me, nothing was mentioned about any ill-advised activities by Samuel leading up to this. It was suggested that it maybe started as a "bubble or fault", but it doesn't matter.. it wasn't Samuel's doing, the damaged was caused by something wrong in the product, no matter how small to begin with.

I'm just surprised is all, I'm not twisting anyone's arm to make a case of it.
I was thinking more along lines of repairs for this lad. Tight spot to work in. Repairing would be the same as a torn vag area. got to keep that TPE as close as possible to fuse it using heat. Adding some in too
Damage is done, hard to say who or what was done wrong. It's a bad tear.
Title of thread? "Help"... :) Buy some electronic soldering tools lad, they WILL come in handy for future. I use mine more than just for dolly :) Mishka showed us how easy it is to fix blemishes... Yep with practice results are nice!

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RGC_0767 wrote: I was thinking more along lines of repairs for this lad. Tight spot to work in.
I see. Yeah I was thinking too defensively and thought you were justifying the defect as part of the nature of the armpit density. Thanks for clarifying, and I agree, it's a tight spot to work in.

IMO, all the more reason to consider asking the vendor to remedy this situation fully, rather than just sending Samuel some chemical solvent which is probably not going to work very well.

I guess I should go cool my jets somewhere. :drinking:

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Seattle Slew wrote:
RGC_0767 wrote: I was thinking more along lines of repairs for this lad. Tight spot to work in.
I see. Yeah I was thinking too defensively and thought you were justifying the defect as part of the nature of the armpit density. Thanks for clarifying, and I agree, it's a tight spot to work in.

IMO, all the more reason to consider asking the vendor to remedy this situation fully, rather than just sending Samuel some chemical solvent which is probably not going to work very well.

I guess I should go cool my jets somewhere. :drinking:
My thinking at the time was it would take 3 to 5 weeks to make her replacement doll. 2 weeks to ship her back to BD's home as well as 2 weeks for the replacement to its return. So a total of 5 to 7 weeks for the round trip.

The repair on the other hand takes a week or two. And honestly I've had the best two weeks sleep since I last dated. Sex isn't even a factor, its just having her there by my side overnight.
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Samuel_78 wrote:
Seattle Slew wrote:
RGC_0767 wrote: I was thinking more along lines of repairs for this lad. Tight spot to work in.
I see. Yeah I was thinking too defensively and thought you were justifying the defect as part of the nature of the armpit density. Thanks for clarifying, and I agree, it's a tight spot to work in.

IMO, all the more reason to consider asking the vendor to remedy this situation fully, rather than just sending Samuel some chemical solvent which is probably not going to work very well.

I guess I should go cool my jets somewhere. :drinking:
My thinking at the time was it would take 3 to 5 weeks to make her replacement doll. 2 weeks to ship her back to BD's home as well as 2 weeks for the replacement to its return. So a total of 5 to 7 weeks for the round trip.

The repair on the other hand takes a week or two. And honestly I've had the best two weeks sleep since I last dated. Sex isn't even a factor, its just having her there by my side overnight.
Already bonded with your lady doll :) So shipping away would be sort of sad LOL

To give you an idea of the elasticity or stretch of TPE, I turned a test toy inside out. I use this to melt/burn and just destroy to learn heat repairs.
What happened when I turned it inside out? As soon as I put any heat on with a solder iron, it just opened up a bigger hole. So even though it did not appear to be stressed, it was.
Try to find the most comfortable position where the hole looks closed enough, but you can get at it comfortably.

I made a few little tools for the solder tip, just from copper wire. You could make a blade from thin aluminum. Copper and Aluminum are good heat conductors. I made a blade from thick copper foil to seal the cut from hand repairs. It worked pretty good. This was done with an el cheapo 30 watt solder iron. 2 inch blades were just the right amount of heat. You're shooting for approx. 150 C to work safely with getting it molten, but not burning/smoking.
Hot air is more for surface work, and shallow cuts. But it does a nice job for finish work.
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Anyways..
RGC_0767 wrote: Already bonded with your lady doll :) So shipping away would be sort of sad LOL
Mm. In spite of some smirks, I think you're fairly serious and that's lovely to read about.


For Mr. 78, Slew's just jaded from witnessing a history of naughty business tactics, including using cheap replicas instead of well bred rubber dolls, and shipping off a poor cute doll because of some injuries is very sad, no matter what her heritage is.

Injuries and some nurture during convalescence can strengthen a bond profoundly. And then you will kiss her little armpits for giggles.

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Would it be a possible solution to heat a knife with an induction oven and slide the hot knife inside the rip? I have a few terrible rips (possible material aging of a 4 yo doll)?

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Thyla613 wrote:Would it be a possible solution to heat a knife with an induction oven and slide the hot knife inside the rip? I have a few terrible rips (possible material aging of a 4 yo doll)?
Material does age. So do solvent repair areas.
My first ever repair I used a torch and a blade :) It worked some. just not very good. Too hard to control heat, and blade will cool quick.
For heat, a low wattage solder iron, and some trial and error. Helps to find the right sort of blade for irons as well.

Not all TPE is melted at same temperatures. Some melt easier than others. Depends on shore hardness and the amount of oils the blends have.
Firmer blends require more heat than a softer blend.
** If the heat is too hot thermal degradation will occur. **

Heat repairs are not for faint of heart to be successful. It takes hours of practice, screw ups can and do occur :)

It's about earning stripes lol

And then there is the tension if it is in a joint area. heat or solvent will split if there is tension on the material/area being worked on.
Armpit area is probably even tougher for access than vagina.

For that armpit, using a solvent based glue, or even the plain solvent can be injected in with a syringe. Flow it in there without having to open the wound very much. Again, Trial and error, :)

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