Thanks Sandro. The lighter weight would certainly help and if the doll was wearing trainers or some other footwear that might help too. Time and reviews will tell all!Dollstudio wrote:I agree that the foot plate has everything you would want for standing without bolts (large bearing surface, deburred edges…), and I believe that the feet can touch the floor shortly without getting injured. Also a 26 kg doll has a much better chance for undamaged standing than a 36 kg doll. Obviously that needs to be put to the test.PDutus wrote:But it seems to me, looking at photos of the skeleton, that the footplate is a pretty hefty, substantial design. So maybe the dolls can stand, but don't need the usual ugly protruding bolts to do so.
However, Xycolo states that their dolls are not designed for standing, so it might be a bit like with certain Japanese dolls which simply can stand, but it is not a specified/supported feature.
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Whoa she looks more attractive with small breasts than I thought she would. I'd still prefer it if she had B or C cup, but it seems I could accept this size as well.Dollstudio wrote:@kanna: I am hesitant to put Body B into limelight, because I do not want RoC 1 discussions in this thread, and because this body style will not be available in certain regions. Though, for most parts of continental Europe I do not see a problem. I agree with you that this body style - together with Doll Sweet's DS-145 Minus - is close to what I consider an ideal body shape. Both dolls are just ~15% too short
I've noticed that there are many 145cm bodies from many manufacturers that I love to look at, but I didn't consider them because I expected them to be too short for me. Now, after getting Asami (150cm), I'm quite certain they're too short. Kanna (156cm) I got used to pretty fast, but with Asami I get the "I wish she was a bit taller" feeling at times. It's surprising how big of a difference those 6cm make. 153cm is straight in the middle of them and hence I have no clue if I'd feel like she's too short or not
I'm a little hopeful about Xycolo's upcoming 160cm body, but given that their 153cm body already has what I consider to be perfect shape, I don't have high hopes of the 160cm one having a similar enough shape to be a realistic option for me. It probably doesn't make business sense to make bodies that only really differ in height.
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I'm of similar opinion. My preference would be somewhere between 158cm to 162cm. All three of these bodies, however, appear to be rather nice proportions. If they could do as good a job with the new size as they have with these, it would be awesome.kanna wrote:Whoa she looks more attractive with small breasts than I thought she would. I'd still prefer it if she had B or C cup, but it seems I could accept this size as well.Dollstudio wrote:@kanna: I am hesitant to put Body B into limelight, because I do not want RoC 1 discussions in this thread, and because this body style will not be available in certain regions. Though, for most parts of continental Europe I do not see a problem. I agree with you that this body style - together with Doll Sweet's DS-145 Minus - is close to what I consider an ideal body shape. Both dolls are just ~15% too short
I've noticed that there are many 145cm bodies from many manufacturers that I love to look at, but I didn't consider them because I expected them to be too short for me. Now, after getting Asami (150cm), I'm quite certain they're too short. Kanna (156cm) I got used to pretty fast, but with Asami I get the "I wish she was a bit taller" feeling at times. It's surprising how big of a difference those 6cm make. 153cm is straight in the middle of them and hence I have no clue if I'd feel like she's too short or not
I'm a little hopeful about Xycolo's upcoming 160cm body, but given that their 153cm body already has what I consider to be perfect shape, I don't have high hopes of the 160cm one having a similar enough shape to be a realistic option for me. It probably doesn't make business sense to make bodies that only really differ in height.
The knees have a strange look when bent under the leg. Must be an effect of the new joint.
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let's take a first look at Xycolo's faces.
Some of them have distinct characteristics, or to put it differently: They have the potential to develop unique personalities.
This is Xycolo's Muse head (缪斯, Móu sī):
Muse is a charming adult face, though without traces of aging yet. It fits nicely to the XC-170/F body style.
As for all Xycolo heads, there are a number of customization options:
- Skin color - currently two choices (pale pink or normal asian),
- Eye color - currently five choices (black, brown, green, blue, red),
- Eyelashes - glued-on (default) or stitched (implanted),
- Eyebrows - brushed (default) or stitched (implanted),
- Hair type - wig (default) or stitched (implanted).
I'd assume that the stitched (implanted) hair will massively add to the visual realism of the doll, but I haven't seen these options yet. So we need someone bold as guinea pig who places an order for these expensive goodies
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today is video time!
Xycolo breast softness demonstration:
Positioning of the articulated fingers:
Body weight validation - Body A (XC-170/F):
Body weight validation - Body B (XC-153/AA):
Body weight validation - Body C (XC-153/E):
(all weights are measured without head, so for the total weight you need to add ~1.6-2 kg).
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today I'd like to take a close look at Xycolo's lady parts.
Generally, for all body styles the usual choices are available - built-in (aka fixed) vagina, and removable vagina (aka vagina insert). Also, all Xycolo dolls have an anal cavity.
The vagina comes in two flavours (or types) each, so there is a total of four choices for the vagina per doll.
This is the built-in vagina, type 1:
And this is the built-in vagina, type 2:
As usual, the visual realism of the built-in vagina types is better than the found in the in insert types.
Built-in vagina on the XC-170/ body style in normal asian skin color:
The vaginal cavity which takes the insert in looks like this:
So the insert variants do not have the labiae molded as part of the body; this is different from all TPE dolls I am aware of and more similar to traditional silicone dolls.
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Both vagina inserts come with labiae and a vulva area. I think this will help to avoid tears of the vaginal canal and fix an issue occasionally reported with Doll Sweet inserts where some people seem to miss the vaginal opening and thrust sideways into the doll.
Xycolo vagina insert, Type 1:
Xycolo vagina insert, Type 2:
So far no specs for width and depth of the vaginal canals have been disclosed, but visually the inserts appear to have similar dimensions like those from Doll Sweet. That would mean that these inserts should accomodate most average Caucasian males nicely.
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This might be a time where i'd might consider a insert rather than built-in, since the insert is on the outside and it still looks good.
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Anyways : probs for achieving this Xycolo If I were into silicon this would be a MAJOR reason for choosing your brand. I've never really considered silicon myself tho, might look into the pros and cons vs tpe again but I know I like TPE so to cut it short, just wondering Xycolo : are you planning to make TPE dolls too in the near future too??
BTW I just saw the models on DS; first off: they look pretty nice in general! Did notice tho that (to be expected of course) the weight is much lower for same body stats. So you're producing dolls that would be like 35kg in TPE, with several kg's less...now I'd love a tad bit thicker body bringing her up to about 35kg, to have esp. more realistic waist and maybe bit bigger under-breast and legs. Then you'd have nice options for guys wanting small weight dolls and guys who can handle a bit more weight and looking for most realism aka 'normal/curvy fit woman' measurements.
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+FREAKING NICE skeleton; did not properly register the bolts and nuts; but that also is a MAJOR improvement.
+For once an actual detailed picture showing all the movement and stuff: chapeau! (and esp. great for first time owners).
-With the skeleton, your design leaves me with just one 'annoyance' : the tiny feet! I really wised in the least doll feet be a size 5 aka 100 times easier to shop for.
+That naked body (1st on page 1) : great to actually see shoulders sticking out + detail! Def. improvement in realism.
-Not loving how the insert looks, to me a minus (the visible transition a bit, and the color differences in a major way in some other pic).
+The looks of the lady parts is rather nice tho.
+Placement seem rather decent too. Always nice if a manufacturer understands this is a MAJOR plus in selling a sexdoll. Seems obvious, but not all seem to understand this is what there customers want.
+Hot shots of the girl with the umbrella; esp. proportions look quite good to me. I'd hit that .
+Great breast squish video; it really stuns me some brands that have been on her for ages, have jet to show this or their skeleton design.
+As Sandro mentioned (thanks for doing all this man btw); the openness in general and esp. about the skeleton too is just perfect in one word.
+The weight validation : 100% support this. Actually wont need the pic, as long as we know we can trust the figures. Since we all know damn near all other manufacturers seem to be unable to weight a doll correctly (or measure her height and everything else), it's nice to see one that actually does provide true weight numbers.
-Then I finished the thread, and started looking for the price for one of these...and awww man, I can offert it, shit it's probably worth it price-wise, but it's to much for me still. But in the least I'm persuaded to look into silicon again .
So why this long post : just really want to 'congratulate and approve' of this fresh business mindstate/approach Xycolo is bringing to the table. Actually for once I feel positive of the state of the doll industry lol normally I'm bashing all over her about these 10's of things TPE doll owners have to put up with, simply because manufactures just are not putting enough R&D in, and then you come across this thread and realize there is still some hope for humanity .
@Areon; interesting thoughts too gotta say, and I also LOL'd at wire discussion to getting phalanges. Tho I do kinda see what you mean regarding those bones, mostly the thumb part, but guess we'll have to see how it functions 'in the flesh'. EDIT: Kinda what Sandro said later, I see now. The elbow and shoulder part, dont really see the issue; you mean with like folding of the silicon?
@Sandro, about the standing option (again not knowing much of silicon) but are all these non-standing aka there is still foot bolts in standing option dolls?
Also kinda wonder about that 'black hook' where the head connects on the skeleton; what is its function?
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let's take a look at Body B (~153 cm); pictures below with ›Yumi‹ head:
Black lingerie…
… and white lingerie:
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Also kinda wonder about that 'black hook' where the head connects on the skeleton; what is its function?
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Similar to Doll Sweet, there is not option for standing with bolts.
Similar to Doll Sweet, the officially supported approach for upright positioning is the hanging system. For DS you would use the hang kit, for Xycolo you would use the back hook option, both together with a doll stand or some other device to put the hook onto. For both manufacturers, hanging with head attached is possible this way.
The unsupported variant would be to try to make the doll stand on her own feet. That might or might not work, and most certainly it is not an option for long-term standing (display)or even storage.
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