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Scroll a bit bellow you will see one cute doll looking real well.!
Few days ago I saw another doll having this modification and it looked superb!

Personally I would say this is most wanted feature.. but when will big companies start doing this.. probably in 2020

Joints with regulated tension. A doll that can be set to act like ragdoll, and then switched to stiff joints for posing. This premium feature is worth to be invented and patented.

Dollstudio wrote:Supplementary to my 'shortlist', a couple of additions were made; weighted based on the number of mentioning:

• improvements dor fingers/hands (stronger fingers, hands and wrists)
• improvements for oral sex
• standing feet without 3 visible screws
• body heating
• design without TPE plug (at the end of the vaginal canal)

Really if manufacturers could focus on these types of basics, then dolls will benefit greatly! I know everyone is currently all about robotics and AI. But getting some of the basics done right should still be a focus. That goes for silicone and TPE dolls.

My priority list would be as follows:

1) Weight reduction
2) Higher quality skeletons
3) Better and more consistent information

1) Weight reduction
* I'm not at all interested in smaller dolls, even if they are given massive boobs
* I want full size, lifelike and realistic woman dolls
* The problem is that they're going to be over 50Kg
* Personally I would hope that 40Kg should be the absolute maximum and even that is borderline too heavy

I'm amazed we haven't see ANY innovation in this category from the TPE manufacturers, even when prices are consistently being driven downwards. It's a race to the bottom. Everyone's just doing the same thing. The first company that makes significant weight reduction in a good looking, life like and naturally proportioned doll will dominate the market.

2) Higher quality skeletons
* Having skeletons with joints that are consistently even in their tightness rather than getting one leg tighter than another or getting limbs that are so tight you can't even move them
* No hip/leg snapping
* More robust hands

3) Better and more consistent information
* Weight measurements are often unclear if they include the head or not
* Weight measurements are often incorrect, sometimes wildly incorrect
* Access to pictures of the dolls naked, bolt upright with arms half way up on either side, then get a 360 degree movement ability so we can get a complete sense of what we're purchasing. I hate having to rely upon artistic photos.
* TPE softness measurements

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I think the TPE manufacturers, WM being the primary target, should think about creating "premium" dolls as a separate product line. These would include the weight reduction and better skeleton technologies at a significantly higher price point than the normal dolls. That way the people that want a cheap doll, either because they can't afford it or they just want to test them out can be satisfied while also satisfying us lot that know what we're getting into and want a higher quality, feature rich product.

Dollstudio wrote:
Weight reduction. Last but not least, there is the overall weight of dolls. Many customers are looking for lightweight dolls in the weight range between 20 and 30 kg. That's a weight that can be handled by almost anybody comfortably without injuring themself, so it's a healthy weight range. However, dolls with these specs are typically either not life-sized, or expensive. The variety of lightweight dolls has not significatnly increased during the last year

With some increase in cost perhaps, or not, it should be possible to create a plastic molded hard core for the doll with a void inside it and add just enough thickness of a TPE layer over it to make it feel right. I doubt that all the TPE in current dolls is needed for the correct feel, except perhaps for the breasts. Some day in the future you'll need to create void spaces inside the doll anyway in order to fit the AI electronics in there.

Have to agree with other posts regarding need for major improvements in hands and fingers. Skeletons in general could use improving but the hands, fingers and the feet are definitely in need of improvement. And i know it shouldn't be that costly on the manufacturers end. these aren't expensive hi-tech materials.

finger "bones" could be made out of something like pic related. a plastic or light thin metal that has multiple flex joints to allow for movement and posing and be more durable and functional than *copper wires* of all things

At any rate, its wonderful to see the improvements that have already been made and the fact that vendors and manufacturers continue making improvements based on customer desires in such short amount of time. thank you all.

mi6c wrote:[…] how many $5000 original China factory door value dolls can you name?

They do not fit into TDF's classification, but there actually are expensive dolls made in China, e.g. Z-Onedoll's robot doll, or the "Shenzhen Brides". Since these dolls would be shipped similarily in cardboard boxes like regular dolls, the proportions of the pie chunks would change.

Also the pie chunks would change for any high-end doll which is shipped in a wooden crate - in this case you would rather pay $1000+ for shipping instead of $400.

However, the point for psting this pie chart was to point out that biggest cost components are not the product itself, but additional costs like customs and VAT. Since these components are proportional in relation to product value & shipping they remain the biggest chunks except for (increasingly rare) special cases.

Sandro

sderws wrote:The pie chart is highly dependent on the total cost of the doll. A 5000 dollar doll ships at about the same cost as a 500 dollar doll that has the same weight.

So this pie chart may hold true for a 500 usd doll, but for 5000 usd doll the same pie chart can't possibly be true because that would mean it costs 2500 to ship the same weight. For 5000 usd doll, you'll see a different pie chart where the contribution from shipping costs is a smaller slice of the pie.

True.
Now how many $5000 original China factory door value dolls can you name ?

Don't get me wrong, I do not want to ridicule your correct observation, but I felt a need to emphasize that Sandro's pie chart( even if possibly slightly biased by a somewhat cheaper doll) is still a lot closer to reality than your thoughts.

Kind regards.

The pie chart is highly dependent on the total cost of the doll. A 5000 dollar doll ships at about the same cost as a 500 dollar doll that has the same weight.

So this pie chart may hold true for a 500 usd doll, but for 5000 usd doll the same pie chart can't possibly be true because that would mean it costs 2500 to ship the same weight. For 5000 usd doll, you'll see a different pie chart where the contribution from shipping costs is a smaller slice of the pie.

samara78 wrote:What will distinguish makers of dolls in the new year is also customer service and a desire to stand behind their products!

Sadly that is going to be unlikely.

Hi,

if it comes to independent quality checks, George from X/S is [was] the only person who offered it. There are a lot of claims "to have someone on the floor in the factory" and the like, but there is limited preparedness to let a doll not pass.

If someone makes claims to check a doll, ask for solid evidence. There need to be defined criteria ("checklist"), documentation (e.g. photos) and a qualified verdict.

How George's PQC ("Personal Quality Check") worked in detail is documented in several places, e.g. here: viewtopic.php?p=978181#p978181 and here: http://us.dollstudio.org/blog?title=pqc. Also there was a derivate of George's PQC, tailored to EU requirements ("DQC", example: http://eu.dollstudio.org/node/3040) which rendered economically not viable.

If someone claims to perfom a quality check, but can not supply the list of criteria to check, a protocol and a visual documentation of the performed checks, the term "independent quality check" is not justified.

Sandro

Dolls Castle is run by a lady called Miracle. She is well known in the industry for her integrity and excellent customer service. She can also do custom make up for your doll's faces to make them unique and beautiful.

Miracle often visits the manufacturing factories to make sure that your doll is top quality.

Apugo wrote:What is PQC? Pre quality check?
Doesn't Dolls Castle still do this?

Was it called "Personal Quality Check"? Doesn't matter, a QC however!
Might had been other reasons as well why they quit doing them.
George from XSdolls who was doing the QCs had (or still has) more serious problems do deal with, so...
But that's a different story and not mine to tell anyway.

Don't know much about Dolls Castle other than it is a Chinese vendor located somewhere near the Jinsan factory.
So if you are interested in buying a "Jinsan" (WM, OR, YL...) doll, you might wanna give it a try and ask them what they can do for you.

nukeno wrote: Which BTW is even more convenient for them, because then you also cannot complain about all the tiny or major flaws your doll might have and demand a better one.
Which is why some vendors like Dollstudio or XSdolls were offering a PQC. Another middle man doing the job the manufacturer should have done in the first place.
But guess what, not anymore, because the manufactures did not like getting defective dolls stamped "return to sender".

What is PQC? Pre quality check?

Doesn't Dolls Castle still do this?

Agree with all 3 points. As to weight reduction, a doll with detachable limbs or just legs is a possibility. Most potential buyers may find a modular doll too unrealistic, but for many of us, maneuverability and stashability is more important.