The slow death of silicone dolls

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Re: The slow death of silicone dolls

by rubherkitty » Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:51 am

That Maidlee face looks similar to a face that Teddy Babes is now offering. Maybe Maidlee owner is doing work for Eight Wonder?
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Re: The slow death of silicone dolls

by Dollstudio » Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:53 am

Hi,

after Anatomical Doll closed down a while ago, there is more sad news. Today, Maidlee Doll announced to close their artistic workshop: viewtopic.php?p=1388008#p1388008

As far as I know, Maidlee was the only doll maker in Canada, and as far as I can tell, Maidlee Doll produced the softest doll breasts and doll butts available on the market.

Maidlee Doll's silicone dolls had a lot of advantages over the dominating TPE dolls from China, especially in regard to sex. Among other things, Maidlee Doll's Maid-Fong had a very high degree of anatomical correctness, was designed for Caucasian males, and was fully capable of anal sex.

Also, Maidlee was a manufacturer who actually made use of the manyfold advantages of silicone. He had mastered the art of blending different silicones unnotibly. E.g., the body was coated with 'skin' layer, several body parts were molded in firmer silicone (e.g. teeth, ears, hands), and others in a specially soft blend (lips, breasts, butt). Even in the high-end segement these techniques are much more sparsely used.
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Maidlee Doll's artistry and developmental innovations will be missed!

Sandro

Re: The slow death of silicone dolls

by HeyTommyRobinson » Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:06 am

Haha, I think the title should be changed to the slow death of people looking at purcha$ing $ilicone doll$. $ilicone isn't dying and will never leave the market. It is the most re$ilient material out there for doll making and it is worth every penny if you want a doll that will last the test of endurance. I have one 8 years and counting and she hasn't shown any signs of entrophy. If you want a cheap doll then you will get cheap. Simply put.

Re: The slow death of silicone dolls

by Dollyman25442 » Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:40 am

Probably the most severe dent in the silicone market is the wholesale price of silicone itself. CEO's and CFO's aren't stupid. They know if they can increase volume over price point they will ultimately make more money. But for the silicone manufacturers to achieve this volume they would have to be able to maintain the same margin of profit they have now, that means the only way to achieve and maintain current profit margin is, they need to make a savings somewhere in manufacturing. And pretty much the only area that can be done is in the wholesale price of silicone.
So. How can this be achieved?
Here's an idea-
If many of the silicone manufacturers were to join a co-operative that buys silicone (and warehouses it) in VERY large bulk, no doubt they (the co-op) could obtain silicone at a competitive wholesale price and pass that savings onto the manufactures in the co-op thus reducing manufacturing cost, thus empowering the silicone manufacturers to lower prices and be able to compete with TPE.
How could a co-op be formed?
Even a single investor could get it started. I would think 50k would have enough buying power to get a better price on raw silicone.
If you are a silicone manufacturer and you're interested in the idea, PM me. I could be that investor. I would think I'd need at least 5 manufactures to join the co-op and have the co-op be their ONLY source for raw silicone. Prices would be fixed yearly. Yes, the price would be very slightly higher than the large bulk purchase but that would be required in order to re-pay the original investor and bank funds into trust for future large scale purchases, but in my mind this is going to be the only formula that will work to lower the manufacturing cost of silicone dolls to the point of being able to compete in the tpe market. Keep in mind that the nature and intent of a co-op isn't to make money. It's to maintain existence. And as a result, all co-ops can offer a far less price (for anything) as they aren't set up as "money making" ventures per se.
Manufacturer, you would have absolutely NOTHING to lose and everything to gain. All that would be required would be enter into a legal binding agreement with the co-op.
Think about it.

Re: The slow death of silicone dolls

by danDub » Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:56 pm

mvcuk1 wrote:
Even sanhui have started to make Tpe doll versions of their silicone dolls. That could be a sign that silicone doll sales are in decline.
They look similar to the silicone dolls they have

Re: The slow death of silicone dolls

by rubherkitty » Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:38 pm

mvcuk1 wrote: SNIP:
I don't want silicone dolls to die off as I would like the option of buying a silicone doll one day.
I believe most silicone doll makers make the dolls upon order. As long as they have a shop and the molds, they can make the dolls. Some makers, if they have the time and silicone, might make up a ready to go doll rather than sit on their hands.

Re: The slow death of silicone dolls

by mvcuk1 » Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:48 pm

I would love to buy a silicone doll, however the price of silicone dolls are just too high for the majority of doll lovers.

Also when it comes to choice there seems to be more body choices with Tpe dolls than silicone dolls.

Even sanhui have started to make Tpe doll versions of their silicone dolls. That could be a sign that silicone doll sales are in decline.

I don't want silicone dolls to die off as I would like the option of buying a silicone doll one day.

Re: The slow death of silicone dolls

by danDub » Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:33 pm

Arthur1960 wrote:
danDub wrote:
siliconelover wrote:Silicone Forever

4 Dolls currently and a new Mechadoll in my future ...

No TPE for me 8)
Same here, I’d rather go without a doll if it meant choosing tpe
Sacre bleu!
LOL i know but after experiencing my silicone doll I’m definitely sold on that type of doll

Re: The slow death of silicone dolls

by Brash » Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:26 pm

thanks Sandro. Very interesting.

Re: The slow death of silicone dolls

by Arthur1960 » Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:35 pm

danDub wrote:
siliconelover wrote:Silicone Forever

4 Dolls currently and a new Mechadoll in my future ...

No TPE for me 8)
Same here, I’d rather go without a doll if it meant choosing tpe
Sacre bleu!
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Re: The slow death of silicone dolls

by danDub » Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:46 am

siliconelover wrote:Silicone Forever

4 Dolls currently and a new Mechadoll in my future ...

No TPE for me 8)
Same here, I’d rather go without a doll if it meant choosing tpe

Re: The slow death of silicone dolls

by Dollstudio » Mon Aug 20, 2018 5:38 am

rgp3 wrote:I'm in the US and just purchased a 150cm Silicone Z-0nedoll […] for $1,699 and couldn't be happier.
I did not mention Z-Onedoll because currently nobody knows where they are heading with the new company. The old one (GNSETC) focuses on TPE (Hitdoll brand). When the split was announced in March, all entry-level models were retired (body styles 111cm/120cm/130cm/138cm, including the 150cm model). The lineup starts now with the ZO-145 at ~$1,840 respectively ZO-151 at ~$1,880 (at least if you comply with their minimum retail prices). As far as the Z-Onedoll lineup is concerned, about 20 existing heads were retired in March and no new announcements were made since, also there was no promotional activity since March. ZO remains available more or less, and they still cooperate with vendors, but they are in 'sleeping beauty' mode.

The new company has launched a new brand called Sino-doll. It targets the upper medium segment of silicone dolls with currently on life-sized model. Similar to DS, there is no affordable entry-level model. And that is exactly my point. There is no upgrade path for new customers to learn about these silicone doll lineups except buying a large and expensive one right away. Oldtimers, myself included, will remain interested in these expensive dolls and occasionally even by one. But the majority of new customers will not be aware that there is something else, far beyond the entry level price point.

For oldtimers, a price point of $4,000 or above might appear normal. For the current generation of new customers it is not. The price point for a good entry-level silicone doll like the DS-Mini is around $1,000 shipped. That's the entry-level segment I am talking about. At this threshold current new customers dare to make an experiment. If they are happy, they will remain loyal and later buy a taller doll from the same brand.

If there are no silicone offers at this threshold anymore because everything affordable is discontinued, these customers will be led directly to TPE respectively 'Aliexpress silicone'. If have these discussions every day - there is an increased interest in alternatives to TPE, but there are no adequate offers because of management decisions of silicone doll makers.

Sandro

Re: The slow death of silicone dolls

by rubherkitty » Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:22 am

Robert Lloyd wrote:
rubherkitty wrote:And as mentioned, maybe something will replace TPE & Silicone.
Perhaps all women will stop being such pains in the neck that drive men here to begin with! Now that's the best solution ;)
I don't find women a PITN. There is just absolutely no way I can have the type of woman I want at the present moment. If things were different, I may have never gotten into dolls and joined TDF.
But this is all for another thread.

Re: The slow death of silicone dolls

by Robert Lloyd » Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:44 am

rubherkitty wrote:And as mentioned, maybe something will replace TPE & Silicone.
Perhaps all women will stop being such pains in the neck that drive men here to begin with! Now that's the best solution ;)

Re: The slow death of silicone dolls

by deerman » Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:47 pm

Must be a very slow, slow end. my Real Doll, Erica and Courtney my first Boy Toy doll turned 10 at the end of last year. :D and many more to go!

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