Ankles and repairs

adelea · Post by **adelea** » Mon May 13, 2019 12:49 pm

Hi,

Earlier today I had been posing my 166C, and had rotated her feet out maybe 45 degrees. They rotated easily enough - a little stiff, but certainly no more so than any of her other joints.

I straightened it out earlier and left her in bed.

I have just stood her (in flat shoes), and when I let her rest her weight on her feet, her ankle turned and she started to fall.

Placing her back on the bed, I can see there is pretty much free rotation around the ankle - the foot can easily rotate 180 degrees, and if I was going to risk tearing the TPE, could probably do 360 and keep going.

The foot still feels as though it is attached to the leg -- holding the heel and gently pulling it has no movement whatsoever.

Holding her leg up in the air, the foot rotates around its centre of gravity and droops.

So, what is it that governs the rotational aspect of the ankles movement? Is it easy enough to fix?

Maviarab · Post by **Maviarab** » Mon May 13, 2019 1:12 pm

grimreefer has a WM skeleton...might be an idea to pop him a pm and ask nicely for a picture of it.

Tor · Post by **Tor** » Mon May 13, 2019 1:29 pm

@adelea
Same thing with my Katja. One ankle is stiff, like other joints. But still easy to adjust. The other ankle is completely loose, spinning freely. If I lay her on her back, the foot drops to the side. If I pose her with her leg up in the air, the one foot swivels around 180 degrees. Freaks me out, because it looks like her foot is broken. But it is still attached to her leg. But it saddens me ever so slightly, because I think it makes her more difficult to stand. And I paid for the standing option for a purpose...

adelea · Post by **adelea** » Mon May 13, 2019 2:08 pm

Is it her left or right foot Tor? On Ari it is her right.

@Maviarab - thanks, PM'd Grim - hopefully some pictures may clear things up.

Tor · Post by **Tor** » Mon May 13, 2019 2:50 pm

@adelea

The left foot is right. The right foot is wrong (sorry, trying to make a joke).

I'm taking the liberty to post three photos on your thread. I hope it is OK.
Our dolls were made by WM Dolls the same week (and arrived a couple of days apart).
Maybe a batch of screws they were using were faulty?
Katja was that way one Day One when I took her out of the box. I though actually there was something wrong with her left foot, because it was so stiff compared to the right one. But when I tried adjusting other limbs, I found out they were all the same stiffness as the left foot. The right food is just dangling around like a limp noodle. And her left hip joint is so stiff I can hardly move it. And when it moves, it sounds like if I were stepping on the tail of a cat.

Actually I had a bad dream tonight. I dreamt I was adjusting that leg, and her tummy started swelling, and out exploded a lot of metal springs and wires, hitting me in the face so blood was gushing out. First bad dream in a loooong time. Woke up all sweaty.
Anyway, here are the aforementioned pictures:

: Right foot #1.JPG (3.75 MiB) Viewed 4909 times

: Right foot #2.JPG (3.8 MiB) Viewed 4909 times

: Right foot #3.JPG (3.62 MiB) Viewed 4909 times

Is there a doctor present?!?

Maviarab · Post by **Maviarab** » Mon May 13, 2019 2:53 pm

No probs mate. Not well up on WM skeletons I;m afraid so hesitant to say anything..but hopefully grim can shed some light on it for you both.

adelea · Post by **adelea** » Mon May 13, 2019 2:56 pm

@Tor - yeah, that is exactly what happens with Ari - though she was fine until I moved it.

It seems as though whatever there is that limits the amount of rotation is broken, so hopefully it can be fixed. Though, I would settle for it being fixed in place and pointing in the right direction!

Its interesting we had the same failure, and as you say our dolls were probably manufactured very close together.

Fenrir · Post by **Fenrir** » Mon May 13, 2019 3:13 pm

My WM 170M has the same issue. It only happened after my attempt to stand her up wearing heels, which was a bad idea.

The ankle is just too loose and floppy.

Post by **Booty Call Dolls** » Mon May 13, 2019 3:20 pm

They say timing is EVERYTHING......
And this will BLOW your mind.
I have an OR.
Same issue...foot revolved, loose
MY FAULT,she was fine until I did something, what I do not know for sure..it was quite awhile ago.
I wanted to add some standing feet to her...
Yes, it would look no where as good as if done elsewhere
I cut a hole on the bottom of her foot, but where the last bold would be
I then peeled the TPE down and away
What can me make surgery tough is you MIGHT need to cut away some of the tape around it
I held her foot tight
Reached in with a wrench and turned the two bolts to the right and all is well
And I even saw holes drilled
Best,
Jeff

Jay1313 · Post by **Jay1313** » Mon May 13, 2019 3:31 pm

I had they same issue with me ordoll right out the box, ordoll is part same company as WM , maybe it’s a assembly issue, I know that it’s part of the reason it’s stopped me from even considering buy from them again, along with WM and YL,. One can’t even express in words how it feels to have these quality issues on a product they’ve just spent 2k on. Proper training in skeletal assembly and quality checks and control need to be a top priority. For all manufacturers, and as of late, especially the three mentioned.

Post by **Booty Call Dolls** » Mon May 13, 2019 3:42 pm

For me, the fix was quite easy and once people see what is going on, it will be quite obvious what needs to be done to get the doll ankle tight.
My doll is over two years
Best,
Jeff

Tor · Post by **Tor** » Mon May 13, 2019 3:46 pm

@Jay1313

I understand where you're coming from. This is my first impression also. After having owned the doll for less than a week, and during that time she lay passive in bed most of the time, I cannot speak with great authority. Neither have I owned any doll of any kind before. I was wary of Chineese build quality before buying, but those pictures were so appealing...

I mean, the doll is nice looking, and there are moments when I get a nice feeling of realism when interacting. Like holding and sleeping next to her. But there are other things I don't care for. The feeling of that something is wrong with such an expensive product "straight out of the box" is not good. I must confess I spent the wait for the doll looking at other WM models. There are more realistically body-shapes than the 166C. I was already thinking of getting more than one doll, and certainly more than one head. But after seeing the quality, I have decided to spend my money on something else than dolls. So WM Dolls lost $4-6,000 easily on me by offering lower quality. Pity, really.

Or... could it be that Katja is just pretending? Faking it...

Just so I will never get another doll, and so she can be THE ONLY ONE FOREVER!

Cubiko · Post by **Cubiko** » Mon May 13, 2019 3:53 pm

So both were like this from day 1? That´s a new one, at least for me.

I always have a skeleton or two laying around (don´t ask...) and I just snapped a few photos.

The turning point is pretty far up the leg, see where it is on the attached photo. Jeff, are you saying one of those bolts lower down towards the ankle is the key and it should be tightened? This joint does indeed turn 360 degrees as default it seems, but it should be very tight.

Masai · Post by **Masai** » Mon May 13, 2019 4:01 pm

[quote="adelea"]Hi,

Earlier today I had been posing my 166C, and had rotated her feet out maybe 45 degrees. They rotated easily enough - a little stiff, but certainly no more so than any of her other joints.

I straightened it out earlier and left her in bed.

I have just stood her (in flat shoes), and when I let her rest her weight on her feet, her ankle turned and she started to fall.

Placing her back on the bed, I can see there is pretty much free rotation around the ankle - the foot can easily rotate 180 degrees, and if I was going to risk tearing the TPE, could probably do 360 and keep going.

The foot still feels as though it is attached to the leg -- holding the heel and gently pulling it has no movement whatsoever.

Holding her leg up in the air, the foot rotates around its centre of gravity and droops.

So, what is it that governs the rotational aspect of the ankles movement? Is it easy enough to fix?

adelea, this is crazy

The very same thing happened to me this weekend and I have a YL Doll. Needing my head examined, I tried to stand Lorrie on her Knees and her right foot/ankle got bent back and twisted. As I was trying to save her toes from crushing, I feel like I broke her ankle.
Now it spins around loosely and I cannot tighten it whatsoever and I'm afraid to dig into the bottom of her foot to try and solve the problem. I am so bummed out after spending so much money on this doll.....seems unfair

Since I'm afraid to do surgery, I'll have to live with her spinning ankle. That's a bummer because I love putting her legs and feet in the air for photo shoots

Tor · Post by **Tor** » Mon May 13, 2019 4:07 pm

Just adding to what is already said:
Katja's right foot is also slightly loose in the up/down-direction. More specifically speaking; when laying flat on her back, legs straight out, I can pull the right foot 2-3 mm "down", away from the rest of the leg. Whereas the left, "tight" foot is very firmly attached to the leg.

Poor gal... Only a few days old, and already troubled by osteoporosis