Very interesting...and so funny.Uh... guys, Harmony is so far away from "killing bots" that , it's like you are worrying a car will have a nuclear engine melt-down. All she can do is talking and blinking eyes. A commercialized walking sex bot is still like 15 to 20 years away. Even then the sex bot will not have enough strength to do anyone such harm.
On the other hand, the major damage Harmony can do is to your wallets.
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We weren't discussing this doll. Someone mentioned life sized fully robotic dolls that had enough autonomy and internal power to propel their own weight and limbs and such. The Harmony doll is in no way a potential danger to a consumer. A fully autonomous robotic doll on the other hand could result in serious injury to a consumer should something go wrong and I doubt it will ever come to market. Its why household 'assistant' robots predicted way back in the 60's are still just limited to small circular vacuum cleaners. Everyone realized that even though there were no technological obstacles, manufacturers were too afraid of liability concerns. A heavy and large machine moving around under its own control and power can fall over on someone, kill a child, malfunction and start breaking shit etc ...the lawyers said no. Autonomous car technology is taking off but I doubt there will ever be full autonomy as hoped. They are starting to back off this commitment and realizing at best its probably going to be limited to semi-autonomous uber taxis and delivery vehicles--thats when the cars arent randomly killing people when they malfunction as we have seen recently. Already been a handfull of deaths and major accidents with only a very very small number of test cars so far and even then with a driver along to act as a safety buffer and even then it isnt working out as expected.philpw99 wrote:Uh... guys, Harmony is so far away from "killing bots" that , it's like you are worrying a car will have a nuclear engine melt-down. All she can do is talking and blinking eyes. A commercialized walking sex bot is still like 15 to 20 years away. Even then the sex bot will not have enough strength to do anyone such harm.
On the other hand, the major damage Harmony can do is to your wallets.
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justintime wrote:This one is also great
I heard the starting price would be $10,000?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqlziGIrX3s
I like this video the most so far, especially the way it starts up. It just seems much more natural, and I think maybe it's because of my tech background but phrases like "My protocol blah blah blah instructs me to..." just seem too cheesy, like technobabble from NCIS or some other show. I like the non-fiction more realistic approach to showing the capabilities. That's what would ultimately make me buy.
It's definitely due to technological limitations. We are only just starting to create computers fast enough to visually map a room, see furniture, and navigate around it while controlling multiple limbs, balancing, and weighing less than a car while chewing up 3 kW of electricity to do that. In the 60s and 70s the most powerful supercomputers in the world look like nothing next to what the Harmony app is running on in this video. In the 80s and 90s we had accessible robots that could do it on wheels, but that's not even close to balancing actively on 2 legs, and we still can't make servos or steppers strong enough or hydraulics efficient and compact enough to fit what's necessary into a realistic human frame with skin over it. That's why the most advanced bipedal robots today are still bigger than people, with cables and hoses all over the place to carry power and hydraulic fluid. We are just getting to the brink where it may be possible in 10-20 years, judging by Boston Dynamics' latest Atlas robot, which is still much, much larger than an average female human frame (let alone any thin / fit male), aside from height.LonelyDude wrote:Its why household 'assistant' robots predicted way back in the 60's are still just limited to small circular vacuum cleaners. Everyone realized that even though there were no technological obstacles, manufacturers were too afraid of liability concerns.
The other big problem is power storage density. It's been improving with new battery technologies, but there is still only so much energy we can pack into a human sized space while having actuators, a support frame, electronics, and padding / skin over it all. Even bulky robots using the best lithium-based battery tech we have in scale production will only run 1-2 hours tops before needing full recharges. To fit it in a human size, figure more like 30-45 minutes between recharging using today's tech.
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Also, I think Matt and Company's approach to a Voice Recognition/Animatronic Chatbot (chatbot/virtual assistant) has paid off.
Years of field testing, and improvements, put them ahead of the competition. Not to mention Matt's vision.
However, what we didn't hear was the actual sounds the animatonic head makes while it's in motion.
That's going to be a problem for some folks.
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Well, limitations on AI maybe but not robotics. Check out any manufacturing plant these days. Pretty much most major auto operations are robotic, from welding, to painting, to moving engines blocks and constructing engine assemblies. The complexity is pretty intense and you would be surprised. Honda also has pretty advanced robotic technology invested other products as well.roninfiertze wrote:justintime wrote:This one is also great
I heard the starting price would be $10,000?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqlziGIrX3s
I like this video the most so far, especially the way it starts up. It just seems much more natural, and I think maybe it's because of my tech background but phrases like "My protocol blah blah blah instructs me to..." just seem too cheesy, like technobabble from NCIS or some other show. I like the non-fiction more realistic approach to showing the capabilities. That's what would ultimately make me buy.
It's definitely due to technological limitations. We are only just starting to create computers fast enough to visually map a room, see furniture, and navigate around it while controlling multiple limbs, balancing, and weighing less than a car while chewing up 3 kW of electricity to do that. In the 60s and 70s the most powerful supercomputers in the world look like nothing next to what the Harmony app is running on in this video. In the 80s and 90s we had accessible robots that could do it on wheels, but that's not even close to balancing actively on 2 legs, and we still can't make servos or steppers strong enough or hydraulics efficient and compact enough to fit what's necessary into a realistic human frame with skin over it. That's why the most advanced bipedal robots today are still bigger than people, with cables and hoses all over the place to carry power and hydraulic fluid. We are just getting to the brink where it may be possible in 10-20 years, judging by Boston Dynamics' latest Atlas robot, which is still much, much larger than an average female human frame (let alone any thin / fit male), aside from height.LonelyDude wrote:Its why household 'assistant' robots predicted way back in the 60's are still just limited to small circular vacuum cleaners. Everyone realized that even though there were no technological obstacles, manufacturers were too afraid of liability concerns.
The other big problem is power storage density. It's been improving with new battery technologies, but there is still only so much energy we can pack into a human sized space while having actuators, a support frame, electronics, and padding / skin over it all. Even bulky robots using the best lithium-based battery tech we have in scale production will only run 1-2 hours tops before needing full recharges. To fit it in a human size, figure more like 30-45 minutes between recharging using today's tech.
Major issue is AI. The fanciful idea of sentience and automata has been a dream but has gone absolutely nowhere. Nobody is still quite sure how to even begin to write code to get a computer to think beyond basic instruction sets that rely on simple I/O outputs. Various software packages have been tested over the years but everyone runs into the same roadblock--a processor cannot learn to make decisions without instruction sets that have been handed to it. Google Goedels incompleteness Theorem which basically is a demonstration regarding the inherent limitations of every formal axiomatic system containing basic arithmetic. A microprocessor and any instructions coded into the memory banks are built on simple binary arithmetic. Such a system will always be limited by such arithmetic and is incapable of making inferences that cannot be derived with any arbitrary instruction set. It is not a complete axiomatic system capable of making new inferences not implicitly contained in the instruction set. In short, computers are as dumb as a rock and contingent upon user input and guidance.
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OK, and now this...
or this...
http://www.richmond-news.com/news/more- ... 1.23166986
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Now THAT will blow my mind when released!Zebo wrote:Abyss Creations has accepted a large investment from "Sanctuary A.I." you guys need to "GOOGLE THAT" Hint, Hint. They are working together to develop a completely autonomous robotic body for Harmony.
And drain my bank account.
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It's great that Matt, and Company, can raise capital.
My question is this, "Matt is 'the leader of the pack' with Harmony/Realbotix.
They have a product that's about to take off.
I've never seen or heard of anything from Kindred/Sanctuary to suggest that they can do anything more for Matt.
By the way, this "Under the Radar" stuff doesn't fly in the real world. Where's the Beef?
So, when someone says they're going to make entire robot bodies, I say, what have you done so far?
Listening to both Geordie and Suzanne, I'm picking up on something else.
Big Data mining. Sorry, but I'm not convinced that it's anything more than that without an actual track record of building 'androids'.
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These folks have been at this for a long time. But, They don't have a leg up on Realbotix as far as I can tell.