WM Eyes questions

Ffydd · Post by **Ffydd** » Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:29 pm

Hello everybody,

I'm totally new to all this, I'm hoping somebody who owns the Elf Head #302 can clear up some confusion I'm experiencing with regards to the eyes of this particular head model. A couple questions for those that own this head, or those that are knowledgeable on the matter:

1)
Are the eyes (hemispheres?) physically larger than standard WM Head eyes? That is to say, if I order a set of WM Eyes from my doll supplier, will I receive eyes that are too small for the 302 head? I ask because I've never seen a WM head-type specification (with any reseller) when ordering just eyes by themselves, so... that would lead me to believe that all WM doll head eyes are interchangeable.

HOWEVER, when my supplier and I inquired with the factory about the iris colour discrepancy between the studio shots (greenish-yellow iris) and the factory photos (greenish-yellow with blue outer ring)... the response we received when we asked "Can we get the eyes from the studio shots? (No blue)"... the answer was "If the head is 302, then we only have brown eyes, you know the is eyes is bigger, another eyes is too small for her."

That really confused us.

Reference:

I've never seen any photos of a 302 Head with Large Brown Irises. So now I'm concerned that they might actually be saying they no longer have any of the big iris eyes at all, and only these eyes are available:

The part of their response where they said "you know the is eyes is bigger, another eyes is too small for her" would then lead me to believe that only THOSE brown eyes would fit the 302 head, therefore... the eyes themselves are physically different than normal WM head eyes.

It's the only explanation I can make/interpret from their response. Does anybody agree/disagree with my interpretation of the situation?

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2)
The eyes are particularly important to me, so I don't want to wait and see what I get when the doll arrives. (I just won't be interested in the doll, if the eyes aren't what I like)... so I'd rather get out in front of this early on during the configuration and ordering phase, and begin having custom eyes made well in advance of the doll's production and arrival. To do this, I would need to know the 302's eye's physical specifications, or at the very least have a physical pair that I can send to an eye manufacturer, if I can find one.

Any info, ideas, guidance or specs (pun intended), with regards to the eye's sizing would be greatly appreciated.

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3)
Can anyone recommend an eye manufacturer? I've been in contact with one, but the communication has been very preliminary and the response-time is slow. I would be interested in having between 3-5 different sets of eyes produced, including the eyes shown above in the studio photo, if they aren't beyond the range of my budget for the project.

Post by **LoveDolls** » Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:28 pm

Hi Ffydd

Below are 2 pictures we took today in the WM factory today to answer your question. As you can see the eyes are the same size so are completely interchangeable with all other WM doll heads, it is only the design on the eye is different. The design in the picture is the only one in stock so if you order this head it will come with these eyes unless the vendor creates custom eyes for you.

We have done numerous custom eye designs for customers and can produce any design you like, and you can also change the sclera color (white part of the eye) and add any color eye veins.

We are currently charging 40 usd plus shipping for a set of custom eyes and we can do a discount if you order multiple designs.

If you have anymore questions about customizations or anything else WM factory related you can email me directly at adam@lovedolls.com. I unfortunately don't get on the forums much so rarely see things posted here, another customer emailed me and linked me to your post.

Best Wishes

Adam

Ffydd · Post by **Ffydd** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 9:49 am

Thank you for taking those photos, Adam.

I'm glad to hear you can do custom eyes, and I'll probably take you up on that.

That said, I'm a little confused because you state that the eyes in the 2 pictures are the same size (and interchangeable)... but I can see that they are clearly not the same size.

The Yellow/Blue/HugePupil are 34mm (if I'm reading your calipers correctly)... and the Purple Iris eyes (which I'm assuming are Standard Eyes)... are closer to 31mm. I know it's only a 3mm difference, but it's an overall 10% size difference.

That said, when I download high-rez versions of your photos and zoom in, I notice two other things.

1) You are squeezing the Big Iris eyes with the calipers, by about 1mm in this photo:

2) There seems to be a clear plastic cover over the Big Iris eyes. Is this part of the eye? Or does it just protect the eye until it is installed? If you're measuring 1 set of eyes with a cover over them, and the other set of eyes without the cover, that might explain the measurement difference I'm seeing, and also why you are saying there is no size difference.

I'm not trying to be annoyingly pedantic, but I've got WM telling me there IS a size difference and there are NO Blue/Yellow eyes available... and you are telling me there is NO size difference when it looks like there is in the pictures, AND you are showing me a photo of the Blue/Yellow eyes on a table, inside WM, right now. Haha. So I'm really confused.

Post by **Silicone Lovers** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:50 am

Ffydd wrote:Thank you for taking those photos, Adam.

I'm glad to hear you can do custom eyes, and I'll probably take you up on that.

That said, I'm a little confused because you state that the eyes in the 2 pictures are the same size (and interchangeable)... but I can see that they are clearly not the same size.

The Yellow/Blue/HugePupil are 34mm (if I'm reading your calipers correctly)... and the Purple Iris eyes (which I'm assuming are Standard Eyes)... are closer to 31mm. I know it's only a 3mm difference, but it's an overall 10% size difference.

That said, when I download high-rez versions of your photos and zoom in, I notice two other things.

1) You are squeezing the Big Iris eyes with the calipers, by about 1mm in this photo:

2) There seems to be a clear plastic cover over the Big Iris eyes. Is this part of the eye? Or does it just protect the eye until it is installed? If you're measuring 1 set of eyes with a cover over them, and the other set of eyes without the cover, that might explain the measurement difference I'm seeing, and also why you are saying there is no size difference.

I'm not trying to be annoyingly pedantic, but I've got WM telling me there IS a size difference and there are NO Blue/Yellow eyes available... and you are telling me there is NO size difference when it looks like there is in the pictures, AND you are showing me a photo of the Blue/Yellow eyes on a table, inside WM, right now. Haha. So I'm really confused.

I think you're correct.

There is a slight size difference. Regular eyes are 32mm

Those eyes are specifically for head #302. See below attachment of eyes sent by WM recently.

: WM EYES UPDATED MARCH .png (384.25 KiB) Viewed 2076 times

Also IMO I think the product shots vs factory pic you referenced is purely down to the product shoot just being a bit desaturated in post so they appear a slightly different colour just like her skin tone.

In regards to the whole brown situation, I have no idea. Perhaps they are out of stock of the blueish ones.

Hope that helps! SL

Ffydd · Post by **Ffydd** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:07 am

Silicone Lovers wrote: I think you're correct.

There is a slight size difference. Regular eyes are 32mm

Those eyes are specifically for head #302. See below attachment of eyes sent by WM recently.

WM EYES UPDATED MARCH .png
Also IMO I think the product shots vs factory pic you referenced is purely down to the product shoot just being a bit desaturated in post so they appear a slightly different colour just like her skin tone.

In regards to the whole brown situation, I have no idea. Perhaps they are out of stock of the blueish ones.

Hope that helps! SL

Thanks SL, that helps bring some clarity to the situation, tremendously!

I agree that the 302 Eye colour difference between the photo shoot and the factory photos comes down to the photographer desaturating the blue in the eyes, in post, to help tie the doll into the scene a bit better tonally.

As for the Brown eyes being the only (other) eyes I can order for the 302 Head, I suspect that WM have a normal iris size available on the 302-size eye available, and what they were originally trying to say is "If you don't want the blue/green iris, the only other option is Brown, for the 302 head, because other eyes are too small"...

... which makes sense because we can see it in their other doll shoots using the 302... specifically, in this shoot:

Cheers!

Post by **Silicone Lovers** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:25 pm

[/quote]Thanks SL, that helps bring some clarity to the situation, tremendously!

I agree that the 302 Eye colour difference between the photo shoot and the factory photos comes down to the photographer desaturating the blue in the eyes, in post, to help tie the doll into the scene a bit better tonally.

As for the Brown eyes being the only (other) eyes I can order for the 302 Head, I suspect that WM have a normal iris size available on the 302-size eye available, and what they were originally trying to say is "If you don't want the blue/green iris, the only other option is Brown, for the 302 head, because other eyes are too small"...

... which makes sense because we can see it in their other doll shoots using the 302... specifically, in this shoot:

Cheers![/quote]

You're welcome, glad to help! And yes, I also think you may have translated correctly re the brown eyes being the only other (large) options available.

DezarChrist · Post by **DezarChrist** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:34 am

is this a desire for anime eyes, or what is your intention?
I love the ears btw;)

Ffydd · Post by **Ffydd** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:21 am

DezarChrist wrote:is this a desire for anime eyes, or what is your intention?
I love the ears btw;)

I don't have an affinity for anime, or anime eyes at all, to be honest. Eye colour, however, is one of those things that I pay attention to though. So the intent is to get the eyes that are shown in the studio photos. Obviously that's the downside of showing a product that has been photo-retouched to "sell the dream"... the customer likes what they see and then wants it... but is often surprised and disappointed when the product doesn't look like what was being advertised, when it arrives.

I happened to fall for the eyes in the studio shots, but being someone who retouches products shots for a living, I was half-expecting the product to not look like its photos (mitigating "disappointment")... so I started investigating early-on in the shopping process, rather than reacting after-the-fact (mitigating "surprise"). I figure if by asking questions, and investigating customization options can lead to me getting exactly what I actually want, especially in the context of a costly purchase, I might as well try.

"Try" might be a bit of an understatement... "Hell-bent and on a mission" maybe.

darkskill · Post by **darkskill** » Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:13 pm

Do you ever get this resolved Ffydd? I too would like to match the eyes in the photo with head #302. Did you end up getting custom ones designed or did there turn out to be a stock option which did actually match what's in the studio photos?

Ffydd · Post by **Ffydd** » Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:43 pm

darkskill wrote:Do you ever get this resolved Ffydd? I too would like to match the eyes in the photo with head #302. Did you end up getting custom ones designed or did there turn out to be a stock option which did actually match what's in the studio photos?

The eyes in the photography are retouched... there isn't a stock option that matches what's in those photos. I was unable to get my hands on the source artwork for the 302 eyes so that I could recolour them myself, which doesn't surprise me because... artwork is intellectual property, after all.

darkskill · Post by **darkskill** » Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:52 pm

Ffydd wrote:
darkskill wrote:Do you ever get this resolved Ffydd? I too would like to match the eyes in the photo with head #302. Did you end up getting custom ones designed or did there turn out to be a stock option which did actually match what's in the studio photos?
The eyes in the photography are retouched... there isn't a stock option that matches what's in those photos. I was unable to get my hands on the source artwork for the 302 eyes so that I could recolour them myself, which doesn't surprise me because... artwork is intellectual property, after all.

Ah that's unfortunate, thanks for the info.