Warning level

nukeno · Post by **nukeno** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:43 pm

A warning has been issued to me because of one political comment, but I'm not arguing against it.

Now my UCP shows "Warning level: (1)" and unfortunately the MOD who has issued the warning to me
doesn't want to fill me in what this actually means. (BTW, no plus points for that in my book either.)

The RoCs only state:

Penalty System

* Warning only
** Possible moderated posting or time-out depending on the number and/or severity of offenses
*** Mandatory forum ban

All penalties are the discretion of Forum Management.
NOTE: Members may be given an opportunity to voluntarily correct their own offending post and avoid penalty.

So I've searched the forum for further explanation but all I've found was a comment by AlexKnight written 8 years ago: https://www.dollforum.com/forum/viewtop ... 7&p=376472

AlexKnight wrote:at 3 points, you'll be on time-out for 48 hours,
after those 48 hours have passed, and you come back and continue to break the rules, the time-out will be extended to 1 week.
If you manage to gather 10 points, the time-out will be for 1 month.

Penalty Points don't mention a ban, because this is something that gets discussed by management. If you cause too much trouble, and management is only cleaning up after you, such a decision can be made under Rule 5.

My question is, are these the official rules and are they still in place unchanged?
I'm certainly a big fan of rules, if they are transparent and everybody knows in
advance about possible consequences.

Thanks for clarification!
nukeno

Post by **Nescio50** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:12 pm

The rules as published in the RoC are effective.

As said in the RoC, all penalties are the discretion of Forum Management. We don't use automatic penalties based on those points.
We really don't like penalties, so it needs more than one or two warnings before we actually apply a penalty. We do so if violation of rules is continuing, or if we need to protect the forum.

In most cases we prefer to explain our rules and solve issues in a friendly manner. There are only a few zero-tolerance offences, which includes commercial spam and illegal activities (those marked with *** in the RoC).

If you have any questions about this, please send me a PM.

shotdot · Post by **shotdot** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:29 pm

I suggest the "like" button (together with its nemesis). Then posters would see precisely how well they are doing. If you think moderator's vote should weight more, make it worth 10 points. BTW, with this system moderators would get feedback on their work as well, and feedback is always good thing.

Post by **Nescio50** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:39 pm

I do like feedback! But we don't want a public discussion if (for instance) a political opinion is liked or not. Even if I personally appreciate the opinion, it's against the rules of TDF.
Rules are not likes, the rules set the boundaries of what is allowed to discuss at The Doll Forum.

If there's confusion about a decision made by TDF Staff, we are always willing to explain, and if necessary to reconsider. Best is to send a PM to me or any member of staff.

Post by **netwit** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:46 pm

shotdot wrote:I suggest the "like" button (together with its nemesis).

You will find this interesting then: viewtopic.php?p=1233591#p1233591

shotdot · Post by **shotdot** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:57 pm

Well, if TDF won't do it, somebody else will. Personally, as soon as there is less commercialized forum with like/dislike buttons, I'm out of here.

More significant IMO, are forum rules which restrict speech. It is true that a forum without such restrictions would look like old-fashioned USENET newsgroup, and USENET message boards are polluted with all kind of garbage and flame wars.

However, if I would like to start a topic of making my own doll review website, I don't think this compettiting venue agenda will be welcome here. This is nothing but restriction of free speech caused by TDF commercial affiliation.

ZannyDanger · Post by **ZannyDanger** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:25 pm

Personally i really don't like the updoot/downvote system idea.
If you take a look at reddit for example i feel like it usually encourages memes and off topic discussions (aka karma whoring) instead of meaningful and contributing comments.

Just my 2c.

shotdot · Post by **shotdot** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:37 pm

Well, arstechnica adopted voting quite a while ago. Slashdot has ratings since very beginning. Yes, it doesn't work well for any subject with political flavor. Yet, for a neutral topics having message ratings, allows a reader to make a high-quality digest of lengthy threads. And, as it has been already mentioned in the prior discussion, for picture threads voting would actually make threads shorter.

Doll hobby is a niche now, but it has all the potential to grow enormously. Then, inevitably, high quality reviewing websites ("dolltechnica") suppemented with discussion boards would be appearing in no time. If your interest is in website creating direction, then the time to act is now.

Post by **netwit** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:43 pm

shotdot wrote:Well, if TDF won't do it, somebody else will. Personally, as soon as there is less commercialized forum with like/dislike buttons, I'm out of here.

More significant IMO, are forum rules which restrict speech. It is true that a forum without such restrictions would look like old-fashioned USENET newsgroup, and USENET message boards are polluted with all kind of garbage and flame wars.

However, if I would like to start a topic of making my own doll review website, I don't think this compettiting venue agenda will be welcome here. This is nothing but restriction of free speech caused by TDF commercial affiliation.

There is no agenda based on vendor/maker affiliation.

First of all this is a private forum; so the owner's have the right to set the tone.
The only restrictions are those found on the Rules of Conduct and the Terms of use. Those rules mainly restrict members from discussing pornography and any illegal acts. And we don't allow discussions about politics or religion, based on actual experience.
If a member wants to raise any issues/complaints, all we ask is that they satisfy the need for proof/evidence as stated in Rule 10.

You can post about a non-verified vendor. Many members do.

Often, we have already been contacted by the same vendors and decided not to add them, because they misrepresent their product, sell underage looking dolls, sell fakes, or just sell more of the same dolls we're already saturated with.
If we already have info about such a vendor, why shouldn't we, in the interest of our membership, share what negative info we have on them?

Do you think there is some kind of ongoing dialogue between TDF and the vendors about how things are done here?!? We only contact the vendors when there is an issue or need.

Think about it. What could be the motivation to side with sellers? We are all volunteers; we don't get any compensation. I can't even get a damn deal better then any other forum member.

nukeno · Post by **nukeno** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:02 pm

Last warning guys!

The discussion about a voting system is off-topic!
You can go on about it over here: viewtopic.php?p=1233591#p1233591

haremlover · Post by **haremlover** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:11 pm

I'm sure I've broken the rules countless times and thank all for toleration.

However, the rules do encourage practice of an art in breaking them so that you don't break them. That's quite an intellectual hoop to jump and some fun is to be had in beating around the bush so that you're not quite or actually saying what you're saying in your opinion or so that there's extremely good reason to be saying it, even if you're not

in my opinion or the opinion of a mod who might be keeping a beady eye out for anything offensive or inappropriate.

There are times when I've felt obliged to say some pretty outrageous things but hopefully sounded upon a line of thought which others haven't dared to speak. It's probably those times which give mods some difficult headscratching to do, but please be assured that whilst one might feel slighted at the time, it's probably for the better of keeping the peace. And TDF is renowned for being a generally nice place to be.

One must also be conscious that there are people around who come to dolls at a low point in their lives and for whom a kind environment is really rather important to help them along.

It's no doubt a very difficult job being a mod, and bringing together people from so many walks of life from so many different backgrounds and perspectives and from so many different parts of the world.

So please have patience my friend, and sympathy for the job of a mod.

Perhaps also be thankful that as a non-mod you have freedom to say something sometimes outside the rules, although at risk of whatever sanction may or may not be applied, whereas being a mod you'd always having to be treading on eggshells.

This forum is also to be significantly praised in toleration and forgiveness of past outrages. I have been guilty of them myself and have been forgiven and accepted, and there was a friend who I have to admit had frustrated me horribly but whose photography I much respected . . . and a blind eye was turned to him re-joining the forum and continuing to contribute. Other forums aren't at all so benign, as my lifetime ban from one of them proves the point . . . and perhaps some might object, friends here would say, to the loss of that forum.

So hang on in there and be patient here.

Best wishes

Harem

Broven · Post by **Broven** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:16 pm

haremlover wrote: However, the rules do encourage practice of an art in breaking them so that you don't break them. That's quite an intellectual hoop to jump and some fun is to be had in beating around the bush so that you're not quite or actually saying what you're saying in your opinion or so that there's extremely good reason to be saying it, even if you're not in my opinion or the opinion of a mod who might be keeping a beady eye out for anything offensive or inappropriate.

Yeah, it's like when you're playing euchre and you have a Trump card in your hand, and then the next thing you know you've ruined the environment and gone to war with North Korea....

nukeno · Post by **nukeno** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:29 pm

Broven wrote:Yeah, it's like when you're playing euchre and you have a Trump card in your hand, and then the next thing you know you've ruined the environment and gone to war with North Korea....

Careful Broven!
Otherwise welcome to the club...

haremlover · Post by **haremlover** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:49 pm

Ha! I think that some politicians know how to say things that are outrageous too just to pretend they're breaking the rules and don't. So it's a good idea to learn how to learn from them so as not to break rules here.

Other than fear of import tariffs into the US causing dolls from China to be more expensive so that you're forced to buy from Ruby, Abyss and PIB and so that they can put their prices up and Brexit causing exit from the Customs Union so that UK Border Force numpties can interpret rules about dolls in whatever way they want, there's not really a lot of room for politics to have much relevance to our ladies.

So just be blonde

about what goes on in the engines of government.

Best wishes

Harem

Pron · Post by **Pron** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:59 pm

I'm glad I deleted my post before posting it here and didn't mention people who imagine pornstars are like their daughters...

Would TDF have to banish this doll and owners because of childlike dolls?

My post was quoted in the link and from replies of Anung and other mods I'm very glad we have them here to keep TDF a peaceful place with members from all over the world which makes it difficult to find rules for all of us.

Listen to the mods and try not to break the rules again.